does religion/God give people a voice?

[SentimentalSlop]

Then why should we not try to be as clever as Jesus was - and listen to His message - and simply let go, to embrace (figuratively, of course, and not literally) everyone, no matter their gender choice, their sexual preference, nor their personal beliefs? Isn't that really what we're supposed to learn from Matthew 7:1 or Luke 6:37?

Oh, of course. We are to love everyone and not hate a single soul. Even if someone were to stab one of our children, we are still obligated to love them, but we don't have to love all their ideas and adopt them as our own. I find Christ's love so beautiful that I chose Saint Maria Goretti as my confirmation saint. She loved like Christ loves. You should really read up on her sometime or watch the documentary about her on youtube. I'm sure her story will bring you to tears.

[mal4mac]

I don't see atheists writing long monologues about the Loch Ness Monster, mermaids or Tinkerbell...

Use a telescope, oh, sorry, I forgot, you guys don't believe in them, so try Google:

The Loch Ness Monster and the Atheist

An atheist was spending a quiet day fishing when suddenly his boat was attacked by the Loch Ness monster. In one easy flip, the beast tossed him and his boat high into the air then opened its mouth to swallow both. As the man sailed head over heels, he cried out, "Oh, my God! Help me!"

At once, the ferocious attack scene froze in place and, as the atheist hung in mid-air, a booming voice came down from the clouds. "I thought you didn't believe in Me!"

"Come on God, give me a break!," the man pleaded. "Two minutes ago I didn't believe in the Loch Ness monster either!"

The Atheist continues, "God, please let the Loch Ness Monster be a Christian."

God replies, "So be it." The scene starts up, atheist falling.

The Loch Ness Monster folds his claws together and says, "Lord, bless this food you have so graciously provided."

http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles...kerbell-effect

http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/mermaids

[cacian]

QUOTE=SentimentalSlop;1242657]Yes, all sexual relations are sinful outside of marriage.

how is having sex outside marriage a sin? explain the reason. you cannot just throw the word sin at everything. you need to show why it is. you are now just listing sin next to everything.

But Catholics don't believe that "gay marriage" is even a marriage, so whether they "marry" or not, it is sinful to have sex.

sex and sin are two different things.

Christians believe Christ was sinless.

what proof do they have? he had sex with Mary Magdelene who apparently was a prostitute. he had a girlfriend. he was surrounded by men. he liked the company of men. does not that tell you something?
sinless is someone who abstain from everything including sex according to you.

[cacian]

Oh, of course. We are to love everyone and not hate a single soul. Even if someone were to stab one of our children, we are still obligated to love them, but we don't have to love all their ideas and adopt them as our own. I find Christ's love so beautiful that I chose Saint Maria Goretti as my confirmation saint. She loved like Christ loves. You should really read up on her sometime or watch the documentary about her on youtube. I'm sure her story will bring you to tears.

you are not to love or hate anyone. just be yourself and treat others the way you treat yourself. keep your love for when you really need it. you can ditch the word hate because it just gets in the way of things.
oh who is WE by the way?

[Eman Resu]

how is having sex outside marriage a sin? explain the reason. you cannot just throw the word sin at everything. you need to show why it is.

Saint Paul probably isn't reading this. Go back; read the second line of post 202; the citation (1 Corinthians 6:9) is right there.

[mal4mac]

There actually is no such thing as sin. It's defined as, "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law." There is no divine law, hence there is no sin, although there are still immoral acts. Atheists should stop Christians trying to monopolise some words, like "spiritual", but "sin" is a word best dropped from everyday conversation when we are talking about actualities, like the words "angel" or "demon" or "tooth fairy".

[Eman Resu]

you are not to love or hate anyone. just be yourself and treat others the way you treat yourself. keep your love for when you really need it. you can ditch the word hate because it just gets in the way of things.
oh who is WE by the way?

"We" doubtless referred to all of Christianity. What's the "new Commandment" mentioned in John 13:34-35?

[Eman Resu]

There actually is no such thing as sin. It's defined as, "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law." There is no divine law, hence there is no sin, although there are still immoral acts. Atheists should stop Christians trying to monopolise some words, like "spiritual"

Most Christians use the word "Spiritual" rather than "spiritual" within the confines of religion. That's why the Loch Ness Monster invented the shift key.

Do you think that morality is innate to Humanity - that there's the presence of a "moral compass" in anyone [everyone] with intellectual capacity? Caution: the question presages a "raised by wolves" argument.

[cacian]

Saint Paul probably isn't reading this. Go back; read the second line of post 202; the citation (1 Corinthians 6:9) is right there.

1 Corinthians 6:9 that all sexual conduct outside the confines of the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony is the same - heterosexual and homosexual alike - since it will keep one from the joys Life Eternal

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Saint Paul? I thought that was a cathedral
anyhow in the above quote the word heterosexual and homosexual are put next to each other which suggest both sexuality being listed therefore recognised.
what does keep one form the joy of life eternal? is this suggesting that in eternal life sex is a joy and therefore there is sex in the afterlife?

[Eman Resu]

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Saint Paul? I thought that was a cathedral

Did a little Wren tell you that? Si monumentum requiris, circumspice.

[Eman Resu]

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Saint Paul? I thought that was a cathedral
anyhow in the above quote the word heterosexual and homosexual are put next to each other which suggest both sexuality being listed therefore recognised.
what does keep one form the joy of life eternal? is this suggesting that in eternal life sex is a joy and therefore there is sex in the afterlife?

We don't know that there is, but I believe that's what we all Pray for.

[cacian]

We don't know that there is, but I believe that's what we all Pray for.

do you LOL I don't. I can think of better things to do then sex. I have had it here earth I do not want it again surely.

[Eman Resu]

do you LOL I don't. I can think of better things to do then sex. I have had it here on earth I do not want it again surely.

Your problem is obvious; you're not supposed to do it on earth; good Heavens - that's what beds are for.

[SentimentalSlop]

how is having sex outside marriage a sin? explain the reason. you cannot just throw the word sin at everything. you need to show why it is. you are now just listing sin next to everything.

sex and sin are two different things.


what proof do they have? he had sex with Mary Magdelene who apparently was a prostitute. he had a girlfriend. he was surrounded by men. he liked the company of men. does not that tell you something?
sinless is someone who abstain from everything including sex according to you.

1) Sex outside of marriage is against the seventh commandment, and Saint Paul warns us many times to stay away from sins of the flesh. It's also just a smart idea for one thing. We don't have to worry about spreading sexual diseases if we are chaste, a couple being made to stay together has a better chance financially and spiritually in order to take care of the children and themselves, among other things.

2) I know sex and sin aren't the same thing. Otherwise, no one should be having sex and we wouldn't be here, which is silly. What I said was that sex for homosexuals is always wrong, whether they're "married" or not.

3) Christ didn't have sex with Mary Magdalene. What are you talking about?

4) It is knowing WHEN to abstain for sex. Sex isn't synonymous with sin.

There actually is no such thing as sin. It's defined as, "an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law." There is no divine law, hence there is no sin, although there are still immoral acts. Atheists should stop Christians trying to monopolise some words, like "spiritual", but "sin" is a word best dropped from everyday conversation when we are talking about actualities, like the words "angel" or "demon" or "tooth fairy".

So then your morality is all made up. What's so special about it, then? That means your morality is no better than my morality and we shouldn't even be arguing.

[mal4mac]

3) Christ didn't have sex with Mary Magdalene. What are you talking about?

There is some evidence for this, about as much as there is for the resurrection, and cacian is just as entitled to believe her myth as you are to believe yours.

"The companion of the Son is Miriam of Magdala.

The teacher loved her more than all the disciples;

He often kissed her on the mouth…"

~ Gospel of Philip

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/...ary-magdalene/

So then your morality is all made up. What's so special about it, then? That means your morality is no better than my morality and we shouldn't even be arguing.

It's not just "all made up", it is reasoned out