What does the pope say about running backwards through a cornfield? It bringeth forth much...toot?Originally Posted by SentimentalSlop
What does the pope say about running backwards through a cornfield? It bringeth forth much...toot?
Last edited by .snakeface.; 10-21-2013 at 11:26 PM.
But hey, it did enable Pope RatZinger to blame the paedophilia within the church on homosexuality, so there is an upside. If not for that, they'd have to admit that many predators join the chuch so they can prey on young boys.
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
Anon
It's not a sin to have same-sex attractions, but it is a sin to act upon it. Yes, those are my beliefs. Believe it or not, up until only a year and half ago I was adamantly for same-sex marriage and physical relations, ever since elementary school. I felt very passionate about since a young age. I fought with my mother and schoolmates all the time about it.
Don't join the conversation if you're going to act like a little kid. At least say something meaningful.
Most Catholic men and women have used contraception, even though they're not supposed to. It's not the lack of using contraception that is bad, it's the flagrant sex life so many people have adopted, including Christians. Many people nowadays, Christian or otherwise, have become very weak-minded and can't keep it in their pants.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
what do you feel passionate about it? why did you fight it ? what is it to you? do you feel you may same sex attraction yourself? you sound very concerned about same sex as if it was inflicted upon you.It's not a sin to have same-sex attractions, but it is a sin to act upon it. Yes, those are my beliefs. Believe it or not, up until only a year and half ago I was adamantly for same-sex marriage and physical relations, ever since elementary school. I felt very passionate about since a young age. I fought with my mother and schoolmates all the time about it.
you come across as blinded by script and there is nothing about you your own opinions about the matter.
one must make their own mind about anything including sexuality without the conduct of religion.
you have to step out of the bible script religions thing and learn to address it from a very personal point of view.
everyone eventually has to.
Last edited by cacian; 10-22-2013 at 04:23 AM.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
It's a sin to act according to one's nature? Do you think it is possible to tell people that they can't act on their love because 'it is sin' while claiming a moral high ground?
The rest is yet another rant about immorality in today's society, just like the ones from 1913, 1813, 1713, 1613, 1513, and so on.
As it happens, he also said something about letting he who is without sin cast the first stone...
Wow. Just wow. I'm amazed at such pronoucements - you actually presented Galatians as evidence to answer Volya's 'Why was it ever okay to go around killing gays?' question. Utter backwards barbarism. Exodus tells us that it is our duty (not our right, mind, but our duty) to seek out and burn witches - is that an acceptable stance in the modern world? Has it EVER been an acceptable stance?
It's interesting that Christ himself, who really ought to be the central figure of Christian teaching but never really has been, didn't have anything to say on the subject of homosexuality. Given his tendency, however, to hang out with the most despised and marginalised members of society, I suspect he would not have much of an issue. Christ's philosophy says that love is the most important thing in the universe.
It is thanks to Paul and his prejudices, a mindless bigot and outrageous conservative even by the standards of his time, that so much toxic social bile has been perpetrated in the name of the Church for the last 2,000 years. If the Catholic Church wants to have any place of relevance in society, it needs to grow up and embrace Christ's love of humanity.
"I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche
There are many problems with the Christ of the New Testament, what about his famous statement:
Luke 14:26 "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
A very useful verse for cults!
The central New Testament doctrine of 'atonement' for 'original sin' is morally obnoxious. This was taken over from the Old Testament by Jesus, and is based on a woman stealing an apple! I have an apple tree. If I saw a woman leaning over my fence and stealing an apple I'd let it go; heck, it's only an apple.
But God & Jesus think she, and her offspring, need to atone for it by suffering for eternity. Seems a slight over-reaction. Of course 'eating the fruit' is often taken to be symbolic of nakedness & sexual activity. Why would the Creator of the universe take offence at what people do while naked? It's bizarre, and such prudery contributes daily to human misery (for heterosexuals and homosexuals!)
Then God/Jesus adds sado-masochism to the stew, incarnating himself as a man to torture himself, to "redeem" our sin of chewing apples. And Judas & other Jews gets castigated for this, and persecuted ever since, when all they did was help Jesus fulfil his sado-masochistic plan. Besides being repellent doesn't this idea seem barking mad?
If God wants to forgive our sins, why not just forgive them, why go through this crazy drama. It seems to relate to the OT idea of sacrifice being necessary for forgiveness of sins, as in Paul's Epistle to the Hebrews:
9: 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
This is executing the innocent to pay for the sins of the guilty, as Old Testament, and Old Nasty, as it gets, and it's right there in the heart of the New Testament.
Last edited by mal4mac; 10-22-2013 at 08:16 AM.
I said I was for same-sex marriage and physical relations since I was in elementary school, not against it. However, I don't feel that way any more. My opinion has changed because I met an amazing person who is Catholic and adheres strongly to his faith. I had a problem with the fact that he didn't support homosexuality, so I talked with him about it. I used all the same arguments pro-LBGT people use--how it's their life and it's not hurting anybody, if two people love each other they should be able to get married like anyone else, that people want to just be who they are, how would you feel if someone didn't allow you to be with the one you loved, etc., etc., and so on. He beat me miserably. He used logic and I used emotion. It was humiliating for me. I went home so upset and hated him because he won and I lost. For about a year after I was still stubborn and clung to my beliefs. Then I learned more about my faith and began to take it more seriously, and then I gave in and finally turned my back on supporting homosexuality.
My opinions on nearly everything used to be very liberal. Trust me, I've been there.
Yes, sometimes. Human nature needs to be tamed, and not let loose like some animal. I don't think you want a world where people cannot control themselves, do you?
Ugh, this is what liberals have reduced the Bible to. Your arguments are nothing new and profound. When Christ saved the adulteress from stoning, what he made clear to the crowd was that all of them are guilty before God. No one is innocent. When the crowd left, he told the woman, "Now go and sin no more." He didn't say, "Now go and sin as much as you want because Jesus loves you." He spoke ardently against sin all throughout the gospels. Where have you been?
And just because Christ didn't mention something doesn't mean he condones it. That's a ridiculous argument to make. Christ doesn't address homosexuality specifically, but never once does he mention marriage with the idea of two men or two women being together. He defines it as being man and woman. Plus keep in mind that God chose Paul to be a priest, so if you have beef with Paul, then you have beef with Jesus who is God, according to the Christian faith.
Christ isn't some tree-huger whose philosophy is "it's all good." It's not "all good" to him. He holds us up to incredibly high standards. We must be willing to die to sin in order to be like him and with him in heaven. We must become the perfected creatures God always intended us to be.
And I'm sorry, but the Catholic Church does not need to "grow up." It will always be against an active homosexual lifestyle and it won't change just to "get with the times."
@mal4mac I'll respond to you later when I have more time and not busy doing homework. -_-"
Last edited by SentimentalSlop; 10-22-2013 at 09:52 AM.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
it is what said before you should have followed your instinct and stuck to your own belief. this idea that you went from one thing to another within a short space of time because of someone else shows a weakness of mind and own self.Then I learned more about my faith and began to take it more seriously, and then I gave in and finally turned my back on supporting homosexuality.
My opinions on nearly everything used to be very liberal. Trust me, I've been there.
just because the script says it is wrong does no make it right for you to change your mind. you should 've stuck to your gains and remained faithful to what you had believed before. this shows strength of character and confidence.
you now seem to lack both. you are easily swayed. what next?
you see your problem is you seem to think people want your approval about homosexuality or other issues. no one cares and so because of it you are better off not showing your disapproval keeping it to yourself is the right thing to do.
religion is a stirrer and if can spread more hates it would.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
Cult leaders can be very charismatic.
Why not encourage him to use this forum? He will not of course, because we will destroy him.He beat me miserably. He used logic and I used emotion. It was humiliating for me. I went home so upset and hated him because he won and I lost.
Dawkins out of control? Hardly.Yes, sometimes. Human nature needs to be tamed, and not let loose like some animal. I don't think you want a world where people cannot control themselves, do you?
I don't claim originality, these arguments have been used by atheists for a long time. I also think they're quite simple, not all that profound. If you can just turn down the charisma dial on the memory of your cult leader you might get back in tune with your good old liberal arguments.Ugh, this is what liberals have reduced the Bible to. Your arguments are nothing new and profound.
So you can predict the future now?And I'm sorry, but the Catholic Church does not need to "grow up." It will always be against an active homosexual lifestyle and it won't change just to "get with the times."
I was easily swayed by my sister and emotion. She is the one who taught me what I used to believe about homosexuality when I was just a little kid.
And I was not easily swayed. I took an entire year to think on it, and then changed my mind. If it were the other way around and someone suddenly changed their conservative opinion on homosexuality to that of a liberal one in a matter of a day, you would probably think, "Good for him. He finally came around. I knew he was smart." Why the double-standard?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
I'm sorry, but he's gotten better arguments from high school kids than the stuff I see on here. Liberals argue with him literally every day and he wins every time. He's a college professor at a very liberal university, so he's surrounded by liberal students and liberal colleagues. I've had several classes with him throughout my high school and college career, and no one ever beats him. The kids either love him and consider his arguments or they hate him because he points out the contradictions in their statements, and then they just sit and pout.
Plus why would he bother going on here to argue with a bunch of liberals? He does that day in and day out at his job, among ten million other things. Not to mention that he's seen all these arguments before, so it's nothing that's going to surprise him in the least.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Well you don't seem to be doing a very good job of defeating our arguments. Maybe you had a bad teacher?
So all those liberals are now Roman Catholics are they? Flashy talkers can give the impression of winning off the cuff debates, if you don't keep your b**l*hit detector well polished.Liberals argue with him literally every day and he wins every time.
If he's that good at converting people, why aren't they all Roman Catholics?He's a college professor at a very liberal university, so he's surrounded by liberal students and liberal colleagues.
Lol Mal4mac. It's a joy reading your posts. I'm waving my pom-poms from the sidelines!
Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb
double standards? no it is not. I would have said he should have know better not get involved. it does not take science to tell you that sexual matters other people are none of our concern, that is the attitude to take. it is not for me to agree or disagree with it. it does not bother me is full stop and it should ne bother you either. sexuality is a private matter it is up to the individual concerned to deal with it as they wished. and you and I should not be discussing it as if it was our business to agree or disagree on it. it does not matter what sexuality people are what matters I that one learns to get on with another without having religion having to tell them how to do it.
Last edited by cacian; 10-22-2013 at 11:19 AM.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
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