Many growers put in nastily horrid chemicals when growing the plants. Some of the stuff I've heard made my jaw drop. It is important to know how your stuff was grown.Originally Posted by cacian
Many growers put in nastily horrid chemicals when growing the plants. Some of the stuff I've heard made my jaw drop. It is important to know how your stuff was grown.
“To practice any art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow. So do it.”
- Kurt Vonnegut
yeah it's pretty easy to tell if your weed is mixed with speed though...
“the sense of being which in calm hours arises, we know not how, in the soul, is not diverse from things, from space, from light, from time, from man, but one with them and proceeds obviously from the same source.... Here is the fountain of action and of thought....
really?how?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
Drugs have different effects on every single person. That's something that's not widely known or understood. That's because the human brain is complex and hardly understood, the effects can only be guessed and you never know how one totally unique person's mind will react because of the chemical reaction.
In the case of marijuana and mental illness, I know from first hand experience that they do not mix well, especially paranoid schizophrenia or paranoid psychosis.
I had a best friend in high school, we were like brothers for years and after school we moved in together. As many people who are new to living on their own and with no sense of responsibility, we began smoking excessive quantities of marijuana. I'm talking about all day every day.
Three months in, my friend told me that he wanted me to move out, that he thought I didn't like him, that my girlfriend was talking bad about him, all sorts of crazy notions that were in no way grounded in reality. We lived together for a year and by the end, he was extremely paranoid, and our friendship was destroyed.
I heard just recently from a friend that he has been telling people he thinks my life revolves around trying to ruin his reputation. He went on a charity trip and was convinced I told everyone bad things about him. Thinks family is conspiring against him. Marijuana triggered the change in him. He's literally a different person. It's not the only factor, that illness is thought to kick at biological maturity but it certainly made it worse and I know he's doing better now that he isn't smoking all the time.
Drugs can aid the creativity of some and block the creativity of others. In my experience marijuana is not the creative wonder drug it's been made out to be in popular culture. It's a euphoric substance that makes you lazy and socially awkward. Still, I'm sure it's been a creative catalyst for many, many people.
Hallucinogenics can definitely create new perspectives which is technically creativity, I suppose. Personally, I hate them as I don't like my subconscious manifesting itself. My inner demons are scary.
Haha, it's obvious you've never smoked weed.
You'll feel like you're on speed and not marijuana. If you have no reference, than yeah you wouldn't be able to tell but if you've smoked weed, you'll know when it's not just weed in there. Jaw clenching, light speed heart rate, jitters, increased speed of speech e.t.c. there's a ton of stuff that would signal something's wrong.
While the truncheon may be used
in lieu of conversation,
words will always retain their power.
Words offer the means to meaning,
and for those who will listen,
the enunciation of truth.
Your first paragraph is the most honest/unbiased statement I've read on this forum in years. Unfortunately the rest of what you typed not only blatantly contradicts the great first paragraph, but is based on a personal anecdote that you then use to validate an argument against weed.
I am AGAINST the legalization of weed, myself. I have already said that a few times. BUT to claim that marijuana is a detriment to the user burdened with schizophrenic, bipolar or anxiety issues is an extremely hasty generalization. One that should not be based on anecdotes.
If anecdotes could justify the case for any issue why not take mine into consideration? Half a decade ago I was diagnosed with bipolar/borderline schizophrenia. I had excessive thoughts of murdering my mom, nearly murdered my neighbor, got thrown into a mental institution on 4 separate occasions, got kicked out of two schools... you get the friggin' point. Now here is where it gets REALLLLLYYY interesting. One day, during an intense panic attack, a guy sitting next to me in class says he has this magical green stuff that is known to make eccentric thoughts...VANISH! At the time I was suffering as many panic attacks as a hummingbird's heartbeat. There's no need to say what happened next. I haven't had a panic attack in over 6 months. Not a single moment of feeling anxious. No more insomnia. No more hypersomnia. The chatter of people who I used to think were talking or laughing about me now sounds barely audible. In FACT, when people walk up to me and literally insult me it either blows right over my head or I see it as a compliment. And the best thing of all, you ask? I smoked 2 joints on 2 separate occasions 6 MONTHS ago. That's IT.
Now... should it be legal? NO! You said it yourself! Different people act differently! Give the hundreds of millions of people on this planet with SERIOUS anxiety/psychological/neurological disorders the same amount of weed I had in the same time period. Get each of their accounts half a year later. Then relate your opinion.
Being objective is difficult, I know. I am as biased as you, we are as biased as everyone else on this forum, and every one else in the world. Nothing can change that.
My hide hides the heart inside
He wasn't being biased, he said he knows from first-hand experience that it does not mix for him.
“the sense of being which in calm hours arises, we know not how, in the soul, is not diverse from things, from space, from light, from time, from man, but one with them and proceeds obviously from the same source.... Here is the fountain of action and of thought....
Are you saying that 2 spliffs cured the rather severe bipolar/borderline schizophrenia, based on your own anecdotal evidence? And just to give my post more integrity, I would concede that it is possible the marijuana may ( or may not) benefit those with anxiety - but two joints will not cure you. For what it is worth, I am familiar with what your classmate offered.
We have extensive threads(arguments and shouting) on marijuana.
Ado,
I'm not arguing against weed and that was just an anecdote. I think it should be legal. I was just providing a personal experience where it had that effect and I've read that weed can worsen the symptoms. Not saying it has to and I'm talking about massive amounts of smoking. Anecdotes are the worst support for any argument.
You're of course right. I am biased but there would be no way around it, that was a terribly unpleasant time in my life and it's not easy to forget.
I hope you have continued success with whatever methods provide tranquility.
While the truncheon may be used
in lieu of conversation,
words will always retain their power.
Words offer the means to meaning,
and for those who will listen,
the enunciation of truth.
I would argue that it is probably a placebo effect moreso than the spliffs.
“the sense of being which in calm hours arises, we know not how, in the soul, is not diverse from things, from space, from light, from time, from man, but one with them and proceeds obviously from the same source.... Here is the fountain of action and of thought....
The THC from those joints you smoked left your system quite a while ago. I was diagnosed bipolar as well, but the symptoms just went away. I think a large part of it was blood sugar issues. I get episodic when I'm at an extremely low weight and suffering frequent hypoglycemic attacks. It is the only thing which correlates with my periods of instability. I don't think every diagnosis has life-long ramifications. Some people suffer chronically, some people sort of grow out of it. I wouldn't attribute your positive mental turnaround to that small amount of marijuana you consumed. It could be the result of any number of things. Mental health professionals are nearly universally guilty of underestimating situational factors in a person's psychological condition. When under extreme stress the mind does funny things. Take away those stressors or develop more effective means of coping with them and a person can avoid being symptomatic.
Last edited by Darcy88; 06-03-2013 at 07:13 PM.
“To practice any art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow. So do it.”
- Kurt Vonnegut
See how ridiculous the 'anecdotal evidence' sounds when trying to validate a claim? You're only reiterating my point. Two joints will not cure me, true, and I might have a psychotic relapse. The interesting thing, though, is that besides the two joints, nothing in my dietary/substance intake changed at the time I was introduced to weed. It is difficult to explain how my life could have improved in such a dramatic fashion without considering the POSSIBILITY that weed was a key factor.
Tons of more research with a randomized, broad sample OUTSIDE of a rudimentary 'rat-lab' setting is needed to come to a more comprehensive understanding of the matter. Aside from this, we are left to shout and have pointless arguments founded on inconclusive anecdotes. Until more light is shed, I advocate keeping weed illegal.
Last edited by Adolescent09; 06-03-2013 at 07:49 PM.
My hide hides the heart inside
You bring up thinking people were chattering about you when they weren't. This is the one thing I still have trouble with. For various reasons people actually do like to whisper about me, something my friends and family have noticed without me even pointing it out. This makes maintaining mental equanimity hard at times. Its a really sick twist of fate that a person with a tendency towards paranoia and instability should have to deal with it. I'd estimate that a third of the perceived attention is real, while the rest is a paranoid fabrication. I try to just laugh it off though.
Last edited by Darcy88; 06-03-2013 at 07:38 PM.
“To practice any art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow. So do it.”
- Kurt Vonnegut
Interestingly enough, if we unequivocally know that something is bad for us (liberal alcoholic and nicotine intake), we can make it legal and allow members of society to exercise their command of judgement in regards to how badly they wish to screw up their lives with the substance(s). Somehow this makes sense, which I simply don't get.
If we have a substance (weed, of course), which we KNOW has several beneficial aspects, and comparable if not a little less or a little more negative aspects, the negatives COMPLETELY eclipse the positives. The drug is reduced to exaggerative anecdotes that either paint a pretty picture of it (my previous post) or demonize it (Grit's post) and we all become biased babbling baboons.
Lol, I love these types of discussions either way. I need some sort of release from my hectic college life, right?
My hide hides the heart inside
Great point, Darcy, and as Hypatia_ said it might have just been a placebo affect. Needless to say, the mind is an enigma.
My hide hides the heart inside
The fact that Mexican cartel profits are 60 percent derived from marijuana is enough reason for me to advocate for legalization. I myself know of local violent gangsters who make a living from the stuff. Overcrowded prisons are another. And the hypocrisy of alcohol being legal, a drug far more pernicious than weed, is another reason. I haven't smoked pot in 10 years and don't associate with chronic users, but I think it should be a personal choice. Legalize it I say.
“To practice any art, no matter how well or badly, is a way to make your soul grow. So do it.”
- Kurt Vonnegut
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