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    Adderall is the rage among college students these days. Perhaps it helps creativity (although college students are taking it to cram for tests, not the most creative of endeavors).

    I imagine antibiotics improve creativity in comparison to dying of some infectious disease (the same goes for anti-hyper-tensives and other life-saving drugs). All those people who died of bubonic plague (but could have been saved by antibiotics) didn't "create" much once they "all fell down".

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    Whatever keeps one from dying directly helps creativity as well as anything else.

    I wonder if neuroscientists really know how to detect what creativity even is in the brain scans they take, but having such tools, which didn't exist 40 years ago, does give them a chance to look at the effects of drug use or other activity in a new way.

    Adderall according to Wikipedia supposedly has the

    Side effects of amphetamine salts include dry mouth, insomnia, tired feeling, drowsiness, dizziness, nervousness, headache and weight loss, diarrhea, as well as faster heartbeat combined with lower blood pressure. Hair loss (alopecia), decreased libido, and bloody stools have also been reported.

    In the long run, I wonder if it changes the brain so it is more creative or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    Read the creation when you're straight... Ginsberg might have done better if he kept his head screwed on. I guess one thing that irks me is the assumption that people with mental disorders are considered to be more creative. They might cross their conventional boundaries when cycling but actually they are already gifted and it doesn't necessarily mean the work they produce in this state is of better quality. I would say it is the same for drug users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YesNo View Post
    Whatever keeps one from dying directly helps creativity as well as anything else.

    I wonder if neuroscientists really know how to detect what creativity even is in the brain scans they take, but having such tools, which didn't exist 40 years ago, does give them a chance to look at the effects of drug use or other activity in a new way.

    Adderall according to Wikipedia supposedly has the

    Side effects of amphetamine salts include dry mouth, insomnia, tired feeling, drowsiness, dizziness, nervousness, headache and weight loss, diarrhea, as well as faster heartbeat combined with lower blood pressure. Hair loss (alopecia), decreased libido, and bloody stools have also been reported.

    In the long run, I wonder if it changes the brain so it is more creative or not.
    actually someone once told that in the sixties they used speed to cure depression and it must have worked whether one wrote whilst on it is another dimension. lots of books were written on the sixties. I am wondering how many were on the stuff as a result of it. it would be interesting to find out.
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    Some anthropologists hypothesize that the consumption of psilocybin in mushrooms sparked a great creative leap forward many thousands of years ago. I read it in a pretty old book so I don't know if the theory is held as valid today but its interesting nonetheless.

    Ken Kesey did a lot of LSD and you can see the effect in his novels. I myself really don't like drugs. I got the impulse to take them out of my system at quite an early age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    Some anthropologists hypothesize that the consumption of psilocybin in mushrooms sparked a great creative leap forward many thousands of years ago. I read it in a pretty old book so I don't know if the theory is held as valid today but its interesting nonetheless.

    Ken Kesey did a lot of LSD and you can see the effect in his novels. I myself really don't like drugs. I got the impulse to take them out of my system at quite an early age.
    What impulse was that if you do not mind me asking?
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    Many authors have been heavy drinkers. Hemmingway, Fitzgerald, Joyce, Faulkner, Poe, Dylan Thomas, Dorothy Parker, and Tennessee Williams among them. This doesn't demonstrate that their drinking improved their creativity, of course. Perhaps their creative minds craved an occasional sedative. Hunter Thompson took a lot of illegal drugs, and they certainly influenced his writing.

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    "In Xanadu did Kublai Khan a stately pleasure dome decree, where Alf, the sacred river ran, through caverns measureless to man, down to a sunless sea." (From memory, so it might not be exact.)

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    drugs (psychadelics specifically) have been behind some of the most important scientific discoveries ever. they simply allow you to perceive reality in a different way (the definition of creativity in my mind). i find the argument that drugs do not induce creativity pretty hard to support.
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    *Wrong thread
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    Drugs and creativity? Well, it depends on what kinds of drugs. I was prescribed legal medication for psychosis which left me sleeping for days on end, enhanced my suicidal thoughts, and had a bunch of unhealthy side effects including substantial weight gain. I smoked weed for the first time a few months ago and even though I felt paranoid for a short while after the first few totes, I am much more awake, alert, happy, and confident nearly half a year later. A legal drug built my prison. An illegal drug broke the lock. Go figure.

    (BTW, while I'm against the consistent use of weed and other illegal drugs I do highly recommend it in times of anxiety/stress or severe panic attacks. I have no shame in admitting that if I ever feel extremely panicky I will take a break with a bit of good 'ole MJ!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolescent09 View Post
    Drugs and creativity? Well, it depends on what kinds of drugs. I was prescribed legal medication for psychosis which left me sleeping for days on end, enhanced my suicidal thoughts, and had a bunch of unhealthy side effects including substantial weight gain. I smoked weed for the first time a few months ago and even though I felt paranoid for a short while after the first few totes, I am much more awake, alert, happy, and confident nearly half a year later. A legal drug built my prison. An illegal drug broke the lock. Go figure.

    (BTW, while I'm against the consistent use of weed and other illegal drugs I do highly recommend it in times of anxiety/stress or severe panic attacks. I have no shame in admitting that if I ever feel extremely panicky I will take a break with a bit of good 'ole MJ!)
    Marijuana causes anxiety for me and for a number of people I know. I would advise against taking it if you have a history of mental illness.
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    marijuana helps treat mental illness as well though. i will admit it causes anxiety at first because it is altering your state of mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypatia_ View Post
    marijuana helps treat mental illness as well though. i will admit it causes anxiety at first because it is altering your state of mind.
    I have never heard that before. There is plenty of evidence which indicates that marijuana can trigger psychosis in those with underlying illnesses. And it didn't cause me anxiety at first, the anxiety came later after I had been smoking it for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hypatia_ View Post
    marijuana helps treat mental illness as well though. i will admit it causes anxiety at first because it is altering your state of mind.
    I think it all depends on the quality of the plant and whether it has been tempered with or not. Today people put all sort of stuff with it to make marijuana stronger. Skunk I think is artificially inseminated with other drugs which makes lethal ie it leaves people really aggressive after using it. I know people who smoke it and are very aggressive as a result of it. a bit like ecstasy which is a mixture of speed and cocaine I think. I think the worse one can do to a drug is to mix it with others. ie a plant with other artificial substances such as speed.
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