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    Greatest Culture...

    Since we all seem to love to engage in those inane discussions debating the greatest writer, greatest poet, greatest national body of literature, etc... let's take it to the logical extreme and discuss what you think is/was the greatest or most influential culture on the whole of culture? Of all time? Over the last 100 years. Some logical reasoning behind your choices would be appreciated as opposed to "I like Russia/France/Poland".

    AS JBI is certain to jump in and point out that we cannot offer any such assessment with our middling grasp of Chinese, Indian, Persian cultures (etc...) shall we limit this to Western culture?

    Anyway... let the games begin.
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    Over the last 100 years would have to be America, in terms of the mass media, film etc. Of all time (Western) it would have to be the Greek/Roman culture, cornerstone of Western thought etc, I can't see any arguments with that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
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    I'm a huge fan of German expressionist painting, and Herman Hesse was the author who really got me into literature, so German culture would be near the top for me. Its hard though to deny America's 20th century cultural preponderance. That nation produced Hemingway, Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, Eliot, Pound, Faulkner and a host of other great literary figures. Then there is American cinema with individuals like Hitchcock, Kubrick, Welles, Coppola, Scorsese, not to mention all the actors and actresses. In many musical genres America also led the way. France deserves mention as well, but for me its American culture followed by German.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    I'm a huge fan of German expressionist painting, and Herman Hesse was the author who really got me into literature, so German culture would be near the top for me. Its hard though to deny America's 20th century cultural preponderance. That nation produced Hemingway, Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, Eliot, Pound, Faulkner and a host of other great literary figures. Then there is American cinema with individuals like Hitchcock, Kubrick, Welles, Coppola, Scorsese, not to mention all the actors and actresses. In many musical genres America also led the way. France deserves mention as well, but for me its American culture followed by German.
    I am a very big fan of German philosophy. I love H. Mueller too.

    It is very difficult to decide which culture is the most powerful. However I think that we could take into account languages, f. ex majority of the people around the world speaks English or Spanish. However English seems to me more 'important'. There are also many english or american writers who became very famous and appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hannah_arendt View Post
    I am a very big fan of German philosophy. I love H. Mueller too.

    It is very difficult to decide which culture is the most powerful. However I think that we could take into account languages, f. ex majority of the people around the world speaks English or Spanish. However English seems to me more 'important'. There are also many english or american writers who became very famous and appreciated.
    There is no greatest literary culture. You make it very difficult by thinking it is possible to get an answer to this.

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    In terms of literature, over the last century, I give it to the USA. Henry James, Jack London, Robert Frost, Ezra Pound, Sinclair Lewis, T.S. Eliot, F. Scott Fitzgerald, William Faulkner, John Steinbeck, Tennessee Williams, Arthur Miller, J.D. Salinger, Ralph Ellison, Ernest Hemingway, Wallace Stevens, Eugene O'Neill, Saul Bellow, Jack Kerouac, Joseph Heller, Edward Albee, Thomas Pynchon, Kurt Vonnegut, Philip Roth, Cormac McCarthy, Toni Morrison, Tony Kushner, and William Foster Wallace.

    1998 My Name is Red by Orhan Pamuk (Turkey)
    1996 Infinite Jest by William Foster Wallace (USA)
    1992 The Gospel According to Jesus Christ by Jose Saramago (Portugal)
    1991 Angels in America by Tony Kushner (USA)
    1990 Omeros by Derek Walcott (Saint Lucia)
    1987 Beloved by Toni Morrison (USA)
    1987 Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami (Japan)
    1985 Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy (USA)
    1985 The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood (Canada)
    1981 Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie (India)
    1980 The Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco (Italy)
    1979 If on a winter's night a traveler by Italo Calvino (Italy)
    1974 The Envoy of Mr. Cogito by Zbigniew Herbert (Poland)
    1973 The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov (Russia)
    1973 The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (Russia)
    1970 The Temple of Dawn by Yukio Mishima (Japan)
    1969 Portnoy's Complaint by Philip Roth (USA)
    1969 Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut (USA)
    1967 100 Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez (Columbia)
    1966 The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon (USA)
    1966 Death of a Naturalist by Seamus Heaney (Ireland)
    1965 Closely Watched Trains Bohumil Hrabal (Czechoslovakia)
    1965 The Green House by Mario Vargas Llosa (Peru)
    1964 The Homecoming by Harold Pinter (Britain)
    1963 Hopscotch by Julio Cortazar (Argentina)
    1962 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? by Edward Albee (USA)
    1962 The Death of Artemio Cruz by Carlos Fuentes (Mexico)
    1961 Catch-22 by Joseph Heller (USA)
    1961 A House For Mr Biswas by V.S. Naipaul (India)
    1959 The Tin Drum by Gunter Grass (Germany)
    1958 The Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa (Italy)
    1957 Doctor Zhivago by Boris Pasternak (Russia)
    1957 On the Road by Jack Kerouac (USA)
    1957 Mihyar of Damascus: His Songs by Adonis (Syria)
    1956 Seize the Day by Saul Bellow (USA)
    1956 Long Day's Journey Into Night by Eugene O'Neill (USA)
    1956 The Devil to Pay in the Backlands by Joao Guimaraes Rosa (Brazil)
    1955 Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov (Russia)
    1955 The Emperor of Ice Cream by Wallace Stevens (USA)
    1955 Pedro Paramo by Juan Rulfo (Mexico)
    1954 Sunstone by Octavio Paz (Mexico)
    1954 Lord of the Flies by William Golding (Britain)
    1953 Gimpel, the Fool by Isaac Bashevis Singer (Poland)
    1953 Waiting For Godot by Samuel Beckett (Ireland)
    1952 The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway (USA)
    1952 The Shield of Achilles by W.H. Auden (Britain)
    1952 Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison (USA)
    1952 The Financial Expert by R.K. Narayan (India)
    1951 Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night by Dylan Thomas (Britain)
    1951 The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger (USA)
    1951 Memoirs of Hadrian by Marguerite Yourcenar (France)
    1950 Canto General by Pablo Neruda (Chile)
    1950 The Bald Soprano by Eugene Ionesco (Romania)
    1949 1984 by George Orwell (Britain)
    1949 Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller (USA)
    1948 The Makioka Sisters by Junichiro Tanizaki (Japan)
    1948 The Caucasian Chalk Circle by Bertolt Brecht (Germany)
    1948 A Streetcar Named Desire by Tennessee Williams (USA)
    1948 Snow Country by Yasunari Kawabata (Japan)
    1948 Death Fugue by Paul Celan (Romania)
    1947 Fortress Besieged Qian Zhongshu (China)
    1945 Rescue by Czeslaw Milosz (Poland)
    1944 No Exit by Jean-Paul Sartre (France)
    1944 Ficciones by Jorge Luis Borges (Argentina)
    1944 The Dwarf by Par Lagerkvist (Sweden)
    1942 The Stranger by Albert Camus (France)
    1942 Antigone by Jean Anouilh (France)
    1940 Requiem by Anna Akhmatova (Russia)
    1939 The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck (USA)
    1938 The Odyssey: A Modern Sequel by Nikos Kazantzakis (Greece)
    1937 Out of Africa by Isak Dineson (Denmark)
    1937 The Blind Owl by Sadegh Hedayat (Iran)
    1935 Wings of Gabriel by Muhammad Iqbal (India)
    1935 Lament for Ignacio Sanchez Mejias by Federico Garcia Lorca (Spain)
    1934 Message by Fernando Pessoa (Portugal)
    1933 Man's Fate by Andre Malraux (France)
    1932 Journey to the End of the Night by Louis-Ferdinand Celine (France)
    1932 The Man Without Qualities by Robert Musil (Austria)
    1929 The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner (USA)
    1928 Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence (Britain)
    1927 Steppenwolf by Herman Hesse (Germany)
    1926 Capital of Pain by Paul Eluard (France)
    1925 Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf (Britain)
    1925 The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald (USA)
    1925 Cuttlefish Bones by Eugenio Montale (Italy)
    1924 The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann (Germany)
    1924 Anabase by Saint-John Perse (France)
    1923 The True Story of Ah Q by Lu Xun (China)
    1923 The Prophet by Khalil Gibran (Lebanon)
    1923 Confessions of Zeno by Italo Svevo (Italy)
    1922 The Wasteland by T.S. Eliot (USA)
    1922 In Search of Lost Time by Marcel Proust (France)
    1922 Duino Elegies by Ranier Maria Rilke (Germany)
    1921 Six Characters in Search of an Author by Luigi Pirandello (Italy)
    1920 Main Street by Sinclair Lewis (USA)
    1920 Hugh Selwyn Mauberley by Ezra Pound (USA)
    1919 The Second Coming by William Butler Yeats (Ireland)
    1918 Ulysses by James Joyce (Ireland)
    1918 The Hellscreen by Ryunosuke Akutagawa (Japan)
    1918 The Black Heralds by Cesar Vallejo (Peru)
    1917 The Young Fate by Paul Valery (France)
    1915 The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka (Czechoslovakia)
    1915 The Good Soldier by Ford Maddox Ford (Britain)
    1915 Of Human Bondage by W. Somerset Maugham (Britain)
    1914 Kokoro by Natsume Soseki (Japan)
    1914 Mending Wall by Robert Frost (USA)
    1913 Alcohol by Guillaume Apollinaire (France)
    1911 Ithaca by Constantine P. Cavafy (Greece)
    1910 Gitanjali by Rabindranath Tagore (India)
    1910 Peruvian Traditions by Ricardo Palma (Peru)
    1907 The Ghost Sonata by August Strindberg (Sweden)
    1907 The Travels of Lao Ts'an by Liu E (China)
    1906 Spring Awakening by Frank Wedekind (Germany)
    1905 Songs of Life and Hope by Ruben Dario (Nicaragua)
    1904 The Cherry Orchard by Anton Chekhov (Russia)
    1903 Man and Superman by George Bernard Shaw (Ireland)
    1903 The Call of the Wild by Jack London (USA)
    1903 The Ambassadors by Henry James (USA)
    1902 Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad (Britain)
    1902 The Immoralist by Andre Gide (France)
    1902 The Lower Depths by Maxim Gorky (Russia)
    1902 The Rain in the Pinewood by Gabriele D'Annunzio (Italy)
    1901 Kim by Rudyard Kipling (Britain)
    1900 La Ronde by Arthur Schnitzler (Austria)

    In terms of painting I give it to Spain for Picasso, and Salvador Dali, followed by Mexico for the muralists Diego Rivera, Jorge Camarena, Jose Clemente Orozco, and David Alfaro Siqueros, then maybe France for the late Impressionists, Magritte, and Matisse.

    For classical music, the best was done by the Russians: Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Stravinsky, Khachaturian, and Kabalevsky.

    1901 Pomp and Circumstance- Elgar
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    1901 Prelude in G minor- Rachmaninoff
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QB7ugJnHgs
    1904 Un Bel Di- Puccini
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLaY2VcIEqo
    1916 The Planets- Holst
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B49N46I39Y
    1917 Dream of Doretta- Puccini
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3PtVRWNYus
    1918 O Mio Babbino Caro- Puccini
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxy4qrnKwVo
    1920 The Lark Ascending- Vaughan Williams
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKz6XJlI_jk
    1924 Rhapsody in Blue- Gershwin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U40xBSz6Dc
    1926 Nessun Dorma- Puccini
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOfC9LfR3PI
    1928 Bolero- Ravel
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4J5j74VPw
    1932 Suite For Jazz Orchestra 2- Shostakovich
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYhZVqODYsI
    1934 Rhapsody on a Theme By Paganini- Rachmaninoff
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Z-HCq5EeU
    1934 Troika- Prokofiev
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hINfOSlMANc
    1935 Dance of the Knights- Prokofiev
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmq1cpcglQ
    1936 Carmina Burana- Orff
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWpZ-Y_KvU
    1936 Adagio For Strings- Barber
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMz8fKkG2g
    1939 Concerto De Aranjuez- Rodrigo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9DOtuPLqNI
    1940 Violin Concerto- Khachaturian
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZexcMRKVMkk
    1940 Comedians Gallop- Kabalevsky
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw0oQ4sD4us
    1942 Rodeo- Copland
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ajQYANLiug
    1942 Fanfare for the Common Man- Copland
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEro8pG0hiE
    1942 Sabre Dance- Khachaturian
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqg3l3r_DRI
    1947 Petrushka- Stravinsky
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFvjao_RHVU
    1952 Blue Tango- Anderson
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQRIL4q7IPw
    1956 Candide Overture- Bernstein
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=422-yb8TXj8
    1966 The Ecstasy of Gold- Morricone
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0wPBYDQ6Y
    1975 Einstein on the Beach- Glass
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmX_GgozpQs
    1976 Symphony of Sorrowful Songs- Gorecki
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLV0o4AhE4
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    As far as popular music goes, I'm no expert on world music, but America did invent jazz, country, blues, rock, and hip hop. However, there is one caveat to that opinion, since perhaps the best performers of those styles (at least rock and roll) were British: ie The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Who, Pink Floyd, Ozzy Osbourne, Iron Maiden, etc. vs Americans: Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Nirvana, Metallica, Elvis, etc.

    1902 Scott Joplin- The Entertainer (ragtime)
    1903 Banjo Paterson- Waltzing Matilda (ballad)
    1904 Mykola Dmytrovych Leontovych- Carol of the Bells (carol)
    1905 Civilla D. Martin- His Eye Is On the Sparrow (gospel)
    1908 Jack Norworth & Albert Von Tilzer- Take Me Out to the Ball Game (pop)
    1912 Chauncey Olcott- When Irish Eyes Are Smiling (show tune)
    1912 George Bennard- The Old Rugged Cross (hymn)
    1913 Frederick Weatherly- Danny Boy (ballad)
    1916 Sir Hubert Parry- Jerusalem Hymn (hymn)
    1916 Enrico Caruso- O Sole Mio (Neapolitan)
    20s
    1925 Al Jolson- I'm Sitting On Top of the World (pop)
    1927 Paul Robeson- Ol' Man River (show tune)
    1928 Jimmie Rodgers- In the Jailhouse Now (country)
    1928 Harry McClintock- The Big Rock Candy Mountain (country)
    1928 Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weill- Mack the Knife (show tune)
    1929 Nick Lucas- Tip Toe Through the Tulips (pop)
    1929 Joseito Fernandez- Guantanamera (latin)
    1929 Ethel Waters- Am I Blue? (blues)
    30s
    1930 Comedian Harmonists- Veronika (a capella)
    1930 Blind Willlie Johnson- John the Revelator (blues gospel)
    1930 Mississippi Sheiks- Sitting on Top of the World (blues)
    1931 Duke Ellington- It Don't Mean a Thing (If it Ain't Got that Swing) (swing jazz)
    1931 Cab Calloway- Minnie the Moocher (jazz)
    1934 Cole Porter- Anything Goes (show tune)
    1935 Carlos Gardel- Por una cabeza (tango)
    1935 Fred Astaire- Cheek to Cheek (show tune)
    1935 Artie Shaw- Begin the Beguine (jazz)
    1936 Robert Johnson- Crossroad (blues)
    1937 Benny Goodman- Sing, Sing, Sing (swing)
    1937 The Andrews Sisters- Bei Mir Bist du Schoen (show tune)
    1937 Glenn Miller- In the Mood (big band)
    1939 Judy Garland- Over the Rainbow (ballad)
    1939 Billie Holiday- Strange Fruit (blues)
    1939 Django Reinhart- In a Sentimental Mood (jazz)
    40s
    1940 The Ink Spots- Maybe (doo wop)
    1941 Bing Crosby- White Christmas (pop)
    1941 Lena Horne- Stormy Weather (jazz vocal)
    1941 Lil Green- Why Don't You Do Right (blues)
    1942 Vera Lynn- We'll Meet Again (jazz vocal)
    1944 Leadbelly- Where Did You Sleep Last Night? (blues)
    1944 The Mills Brothers- Till Then (pop)
    1944 Woody Guthrie- This Land is Your Land (folk)
    1945 Tino Rossi- Besame Mucho (chanson)
    1946 Edith Piaf- La Vie en Rose (pop)
    1946 Louis Jordan- Choo Choo Ch'Boogie (jump blues)
    1946 Bill Monroe- Blue Moon of Kentucky (country)
    1948 John Lee Hooker- Boogie Chillen (blues)
    50s
    1951 Elmore James- Dust My Broom (blues)
    1952 Hank Williams- Your Cheatin' Heart (country)
    1952 Little Walter- Juke (blues)
    1955 Muddy Waters- Mannish Boy (blues)
    1955 Bo Diddley- Bo Diddley (rock)
    1955 The Platters- Only You (doo wop)
    1955 Eddy Arnold- Cattle Call (country)
    1955 Tennessee Ernie Ford - Sixteen Tons (country)
    1955 Little Richard- Tutti Frutty (rock)
    1957 Buddy Holly- Peggy Sue (rock)
    1957 Jerry Louis- Great Balls of Fire (rock)
    1957 Elvis Presley- Jailhouse Rock (rock)
    1958 Ella Fitzgerald- Blue Skies (vocal jazz)
    1958 Chuck Berry- Johnny B. Goode (rock)
    1959 Marty Robbins- El Paso (country)
    1959 The Staple Singers- I'm Coming Home (gospel)
    60s
    1960 Howlin' Wolf- Spoonful (blues)
    1960 Etta James- At Last (soul)
    1961 Patsy Cline- Crazy (country)
    1961 Ray Charles- Hit the Road Jack (R&B)
    1962 Gene Chandler- Duke of Earl (doo wop)
    1963 The Kingsmen- Louie Louie (rock)
    1963 Johnny Cash- Ring of Fire (country)
    1963 The Four Seasons- Walk Like a Man (rock)
    1964 Jacques Brel- Amsterdam (chanson)
    1964 The Animals- House of the Rising Sun (rock)
    1965 Sam Cooke- Chain Gang (R&B)
    1965 Bob Dylan- Like a Rolling Stone (rock)
    1965 Wilson Pickett- Mustang Sally (R&B)
    1965 The Yardbirds- For Your Love (rock)
    1966 Cannonball Adderly- Mercy, Mercy, Mercy (jazz)
    1967 Aretha Franklin- Respect (R&B)
    1967 The Velvet Underground- I'm Waiting For The Man (rock)
    1967 Otis Redding- Sitting on the Dock of the Bay (R&B)
    1967 Albert King- Born Under a Bad Sign (blues)
    1967 The Doors- Break on Through (rock)
    1968 The Beatles- Hey Jude (rock)
    1968 Steppenwolf- Born to Be Wild (rock)
    1968 Louis Armstrong- What a Wonderful World (pop)
    1968 Jimi Hendrix- All Along the Watchtower (rock)
    1968 Tammy Wynnettte- Stand By Your Man (country)
    1968 Taj Mahal- Leaving Trunk (blues)
    1969 Frank Sinatra- My Way (pop)
    1969 Crosby, Stills, and Nash- Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (rock)
    1969 David Bowie- Space Oddity (psychedelic rock)
    1969 The Band- The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down (rock)
    1969 Credence Clearwater Revival- Bad Moon Rising (rock)
    70s
    1970 George Harrison- My Sweet Lord (rock)
    1970 B.B. King- The Thrill is Gone (blues)
    1970 Black Sabbath- Iron Man (metal)
    1970 Eric Clapton- Layla (rock)
    1970 Conway Twitty- Hello Darlin' (country)
    1971 John Lennon- Imagine (rock)
    1971 Janis Joplin- Me and Bobby McGee (rock)
    1971 Marvin Gaye- What's Going On? (soul)
    1971 Jethro Tull- Aqualung (prog rock)
    1971 Led Zepplin- Stairway to Heaven (rock)
    1971 The Who- Baba O'Riley (rock)
    1972 Neil Young- Heart of Gold (country rock)
    1973 Bob Marley- I Shot the Sheriff (reggae)
    1973 The Rolling Stones-Angie (rock)
    1973 John Denver- Rocky Mountain High (country)
    1973 Deep Purple- Smoke on the Water (rock)
    1973 Aerosmith- Dream On (rock)
    1973 Alice Cooper- No More Mr Nice Guy (rock)
    1973 Pink Floyd- Eclipse (progressive rock)
    1973 Lynryd Skynyrd- Free bird (rock)
    1975 Queen- Bohemian Rhapsody (rock)
    1975 Frank Zappa- Muffin Man (rock)
    1976 KISS- Detroit Rock City (rock)
    1976 Sex Pistols- Anarchy in the UK (punk)
    1976 Gordon Lightfoot- The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (folk)
    1977 Van Halen- Eruption (rock)
    1977 Kansas- Dust in the Wind (rock)
    1977 The Eagles- Hotel California (rock)
    1977 Fear- I Love Living in the City (punk)
    1979 Sugarhill Gang- Rapper's Delight (hip hop)
    1979 The Dead Kennedys- California Uber Alles (punk)
    80s
    1980 Ozzy Osbourne- Crazy Train (metal)
    1980 George Jones- He Stopped Loving Her Today (country)
    1981 Rush- Tom Sawyer (rock)
    1982 The Clash- Straight to Hell (punk)
    1982 Iron Maiden- Run to the Hills (metal)
    1982 George Thorogood- Bad to the Bone (blues rock)
    1983 Dio- Holy Diver (metal)
    1984 Saxon- Crusader (metal)
    1984 Michael Jackson- Thriller (pop)
    1984 Run DMC- Rock Box (hip hop)
    1984 Bruce Springsteen- Born in the USA (rock)
    1985 Billy Bragg- The World Turned Upside Down (punk folk)
    1985 Anthrax- Madhouse (metal)
    1985 The Highwaymen- Highwayman (country)
    1986 Megadeth- Peace Sells (metal)
    1987 Guns N Roses- Sweet Child o' Mine (rock)
    1988 Poison- Every Rose Has It's Thorn (rock)
    1988 Jane's Addiction- Jane Says (rock)
    1988 Danzig- Mother (metal)
    1989 Public Enemy- Fight the Power (hip hop)
    1989 Pixies- Wave of Mutilation (UK Surf) (rock)
    90s
    1990 Scorpions- Wind of Change (metal)
    1990 Pantera- Cemetery Gates (metal)
    1990 AC/DC- Thunderstruck (hard rock)
    1991 LL Cool J- Mama Said Knock You Out (hip hop)
    1991 Pearl Jam- Black (metal)
    1991 Metallica- Enter Sandman (metal)
    1991 Nirvana- Smells Like Teen Spirit ( grunge rock)
    1992 2pac- Changes (hip hop)
    1992 Kyuss- Thong Song (desert rock)
    1992 Dr. Dre- Nuthin' But a G Thang (hip hop)
    1993 Alice in Chains- Rooster (rock)
    1993 Smashing Pumpkins- Today (rock)
    1994 Nine Inch Nails- Closer (rock)
    1995 Monster Magnet- Negasonic Teenage Warhead (rock)
    1997 Green Day- Good Riddance(Time of Your Life) (rock)
    1997 Rammstein- Engel (metal)
    1997 Notorious B.I.G.- Mo Money Mo Problems (hip hop)
    1997 Radiohead- Karma Police (rock)
    1998 Fatboy Slim- Renegade Master (techno)
    1998 Blind Guardian- Mirror Mirror (metal)
    1999 The Offspring- The Kids Aren't Alright (punk rock)
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    For film, it shouldn't even be a contest. Hollywood crushes all of it's closest rivals. Bollywood and Nollywood have produced more films in recent decades, but I don't think they've brought their standards up to the polished level of the big Hollywood studios. Italy brought us neorealism and the directors: Fellini, Rossellini, De Sica, Antonioni, Leone, Bertolucci, and Visconti. France gave us The New Wave and Jean Renoir, Godard, Truffaut, Bresson. Japan gave us Akira Kurosawa, Mizoguchi, Ichikawa, Ozu, Oshima, Imamura and samurai movies. Sweden gave us Ingmar Bergman, and Carl Dreyer. Germany gave us Expressionism and Fritz Lang. Russia gave us Eisenstein and Tarkovsky and Britain gave us Hitchcock and David Lean. Poland is responsible for Kieslowski and Polanski. But America is where Kubrick, Scorsese, Welles, Spielberg, Hawks, Capra, Ford, Griffith, Coppola, Tarantino, Kazan, Peckinpah, Lumet, the Coen Brothers, Oliver Stone, Spike Lee, De Palma, Zemeckis, etc. were born. South Korea and Hong Kong have had a really good 21st century so far, but we're only talking 20th century right now.

    2000 Battle Royale, Memento, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Requiem For a Dream, Traffic
    1999 The Matrix, American Beauty, One Day in September, The Boondock Saints, Dogma
    1998 The Big Lebowski, Saving Private Ryan, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, The Thin Red Line
    1997 L.A. Confidential, Character, Boogie Nights, Life is Beautiful, Gattaca, Taste of Cherry,
    1996 Hamlet, Trainspotting, Pretty Village Pretty Flame, Fargo
    1995 The Usual Suspects, Shanghai Triad, Mallrats, Se7en, Ghost in the Shell, Day of the Beast
    1994 Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, To Live, Forest Gump, The Professional, Natural Born Killers, Three Colors Red,
    1993 Schindler's List, Farewell My Concubine, The Fugitive, Sonatine, Stalingrad, Tombstone,
    1992 Reservoir Dogs, Glengarry Glen Ross, A Few Good Men
    1991 The Silence of the Lambs, Raise the Red Lantern, Terminator 2, JFK
    1990 Goodfellas, Total Recall, Edward Scissorhands, Miller's Crossing, Dances With Wolves, Cyrano de Bergerac, Europa Europa, Dreams,
    1989 Do the Right Thing, Lonesome Dove, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Henry V, When Harry Met Sally, Field of Dreams, Driving Miss Daisy
    1988 Die Hard, Heathers, Akira, Cinema Paradiso, A Short Film About Killing, Dangerous Liasons, Rain Man
    1987 Full Metal Jacket, The Untouchables, Lethal Weapon, Robocop, The Princess Bride, Predator, The Last Emperor, Wings of Desire, Au Revoir Les Enfants
    1986 Aliens, Platoon, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Big Trouble in Little China, Jean de Florette, Ginger and Fred
    1985 Brazil, Ran, Back to the Future, Come and See
    1984 The Terminator, Amadeus, Once Upon a Time in America, The Killing Fields
    1983 Scarface, The Right Stuff, And the Ship Sailed On
    1982 Fanny and Alexander, Blade Runner, The Thing, Ghandi, The Wrath of Khan, First Blood, Conan the Barbarian
    1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Road Warrior, Das Boot, Chariots of Fire
    1980 Raging Bull, Kagemusha, The Shining, The Empire Strikes Back, Ordinary People, Breaker Morant
    1979 Apocalypse Now, Alien, Stalker,
    1978 The Deer Hunter, Autumn Sonata, Dawn of the Dead
    1977 Star Wars, Saturday Night Fever
    1976 Rocky, Network, Taxi Driver, All the President's Men
    1975 Jaws, Barry Lyndon, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Dersu Uzala
    1974 Hearts and Minds, Blazing Saddles, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Chinatown, The Godfather Part II
    1973 Amarcord, Mean Streets
    1972 The Godfather, Solaris
    1971 A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, Dirty Harry
    1970 Patton, The Conformist, The Garden of the Finzi-Continis
    1969 The Wild Bunch, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Z
    1968 2001 A Space Odyssey, The Lion in Winter, Hour of the Wolf
    1967 In the Heat of the Night, Samurai Rebellion, Cool Hand Luke, The Graduate, Marat/Sade
    1966 The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, Andrei Rublev, Sword of Doom, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, The Battle of Algiers, Closely Watched Trains, Persona
    1965 Doctor Zhivago, The Sound of Music, The Shop on Main Street, For A Few Dollars More, The Flight of the Phoenix, Juliet of the Spirits
    1964 Dr. Strangelove, A Fistful of Dollars, Zulu, Zorba the Greek
    1963 8 1/2, High and Low, The Leopard, The Great Escape
    1962 Lawrence of Arabia, Harakiri, The Longest Day, The Miracle Worker, Sanjuro
    1961 Yojimbo, Through a Glass Darkly
    1960 La Dolce Vita, Spartacus, The Virgin Spring, Inherit the Wind
    1959 Anatomy of a Murder, 400 Blows, Fires on the Plain, Some Like it Hot
    1958 Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Hidden Fortress
    1957 Wild Strawberries, The Seventh Seal, Paths of Glory, Nights of Cabiria, Throne of Blood, The Bridge on the River Kwai, 12 Angry Men, Witness For the Prosecution, Kanal
    1956 The Searchers, A Man Escaped
    1955 Smiles of a Summer Night, Night of the Hunter
    1954 Seven Samurai, La Strada, On the Waterfront
    1953 Julius Caesar, The Wages of Fear, From Here to Eternity, I Vitelloni,
    1952 High Noon, Ikiru, Umberto D., Singin' in the Rain, Forbidden Games, The White Sheik
    1951 A Streetcar Named Desire, An American in Paris, The African Queen
    1950 Rashomon, Sunset Boulevard, All About Eve, Asphalt Jungle, Harvey
    1949 All the King's Men, Stray Dog, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
    1948 The Bicycle Thief, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Drunken Angel, Red River, Rope, The Red Shoes
    1947 Out of the Past, The Lady From Shanghai
    1946 The Big Sleep, It's a Wonderful Life
    1945 Rome, Open City, Children of Paradise, Scarlet Street
    1944 Double Indemnity, Arsenic and Old Lace
    1943 Ossessione
    1942 Casablanca
    1941 Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, How Green Was My Valley
    1940 The Philadelphia Story, His Girl Friday
    1939 Gone With the Wind, The Wizard of Oz
    1938 Pygmalion
    1937 The Grand Illusion
    1936 My Man Godfry
    1935 Mutiny on the Bounty
    1934 The Scarlet Empress
    1933 Gold Diggers of 1933
    1932 Trouble in Paradise
    1931 M, City Lights
    1930 All Quiet on the Western Front
    1929 Living Russia, or The Man With A Camera
    1928 The Passion of Joan of Arc
    1927 Metropolis
    1926 The General
    1925 The Gold Rush
    1924 Sherlock Jr.
    1923 Safety Last!
    1922 Nosferatu
    1921 The Kid
    1920 The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
    1919 Sunnyside
    1918 A Dog's Life
    1917 The Immigrant
    1916 Intolerance
    1915 The Birth of a Nation
    1903 The Great Train Robbery
    1902 A Trip to the Moon

    Which culture is the best for all time?

    English, Italian, Persian, Greek, and Sanskrit are all monsters of literature. Just pitting the best poet of each language against each other is daunting. Shakespeare, Dante, Firdawsi, Homer, Vyasa. It's a push.

    Germany/Austria has the best music with Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Wagner, Schubert, Strauss, Mendelssohn, Brahms, followed by the Italians Monteverdi, Puccini, Allegri, Vivaldi, Rossini, Verdi, Palestrina, Corelli, then the Russians I've already named above with Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, and Borodin, then the French for Saint Saens, Delibes, Debussy, Ravel, Faure.

    Italy has the best art with all that stuff from the Renaissance and Baroque eras Michelangelo, Bernini, Leonardo, Raphael, Caravaggio, Donatello, Lippi, Bellini, Mantegna, Botticelli, Signorelli, Titian, Sarto, Corregio, Pontormo, Cellini, Tintoretto, Bologna, Allori, etc. Then the Dutch have Rembrandt, Rubens, Van Dyck, Vermeer, Bruegel, Bosch, Ter Brugghen, Van Den Broecke, and all the little Dutch masters. Then the French have the Neo-Classicists and the Impressionists which are pretty good. I'd say for the West it goes Italian, Dutch, French, Spanish, German, English, then all the rest as far as visual arts go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalterror View Post
    For film, it shouldn't even be a contest. Hollywood crushes all of it's closest rivals. Bollywood and Nollywood have produced more films in recent decades, but I don't think they've brought their standards up to the polished level of the big Hollywood studios. Italy brought us neorealism and the directors: Fellini, Rossellini, De Sica, Antonioni, Leone, Bertolucci, and Visconti. France gave us The New Wave and Jean Renoir, Godard, Truffaut, Bresson. Japan gave us Akira Kurosawa, Mizoguchi, Ichikawa, Ozu, Oshima, Imamura and samurai movies. Sweden gave us Ingmar Bergman, and Carl Dreyer. Germany gave us Expressionism and Fritz Lang. Russia gave us Eisenstein and Tarkovsky and Britain gave us Hitchcock and David Lean. Poland is responsible for Kieslowski and Polanski. But America is where Kubrick, Scorsese, Welles, Spielberg, Hawks, Capra, Ford, Griffith, Coppola, Tarantino, Kazan, Peckinpah, Lumet, Cameron, the Coen Brothers, Oliver Stone, Spike Lee, De Palma, Zemeckis, etc. were born. South Korea and Hong Kong have had a really good 21st century so far, but we're only talking 20th century right now.

    2000 Battle Royale, Memento, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Requiem For a Dream, Traffic
    1999 The Matrix, American Beauty, One Day in September, The Boondock Saints, Dogma
    1998 The Big Lebowski, Saving Private Ryan, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, The Thin Red Line
    1997 L.A. Confidential, Character, Boogie Nights, Life is Beautiful, Gattaca, Taste of Cherry,
    1996 Hamlet, Trainspotting, Pretty Village Pretty Flame, Fargo
    1995 The Usual Suspects, Shanghai Triad, Mallrats, Se7en, Ghost in the Shell, Day of the Beast
    1994 Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, To Live, Forest Gump, The Professional, Natural Born Killers, Three Colors Red,
    1993 Schindler's List, Farewell My Concubine, The Fugitive, Sonatine, Stalingrad, Tombstone,
    1992 Reservoir Dogs, Glengarry Glen Ross, A Few Good Men
    1991 The Silence of the Lambs, Raise the Red Lantern, Terminator 2, JFK
    1990 Goodfellas, Total Recall, Edward Scissorhands, Miller's Crossing, Dances With Wolves, Cyrano de Bergerac, Europa Europa, Dreams,
    1989 Do the Right Thing, Lonesome Dove, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Henry V, When Harry Met Sally, Field of Dreams, Driving Miss Daisy
    1988 Die Hard, Heathers, Akira, Cinema Paradiso, A Short Film About Killing, Dangerous Liasons, Rain Man
    1987 Full Metal Jacket, The Untouchables, Lethal Weapon, Robocop, The Princess Bride, Predator, The Last Emperor, Wings of Desire, Au Revoir Les Enfants
    1986 Aliens, Platoon, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Big Trouble in Little China, Jean de Florette, Ginger and Fred
    1985 Brazil, Ran, Back to the Future, Come and See
    1984 The Terminator, Amadeus, Once Upon a Time in America, The Killing Fields
    1983 Scarface, The Right Stuff, And the Ship Sailed On
    1982 Fanny and Alexander, Blade Runner, The Thing, Ghandi, The Wrath of Khan, First Blood, Conan the Barbarian
    1981 Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Road Warrior, Das Boot, Chariots of Fire
    1980 Raging Bull, Kagemusha, The Shining, The Empire Strikes Back, Ordinary People, Breaker Morant
    1979 Apocalypse Now, Alien, Stalker,
    1978 The Deer Hunter, Autumn Sonata, Dawn of the Dead
    1977 Star Wars, Saturday Night Fever
    1976 Rocky, Network, Taxi Driver, All the President's Men
    1975 Jaws, Barry Lyndon, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Dersu Uzala
    1974 Hearts and Minds, Blazing Saddles, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Chinatown, The Godfather Part II
    1973 Amarcord, Mean Streets
    1972 The Godfather, Solaris
    1971 A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, Dirty Harry
    1970 Patton, The Conformist, The Garden of the Finzi-Continis
    1969 The Wild Bunch, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Z
    1968 2001 A Space Odyssey, The Lion in Winter, Hour of the Wolf
    1967 In the Heat of the Night, Samurai Rebellion, Cool Hand Luke, The Graduate, Marat/Sade
    1966 The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly, Andrei Rublev, Sword of Doom, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, The Battle of Algiers, Closely Watched Trains, Persona
    1965 Doctor Zhivago, The Sound of Music, The Shop on Main Street, For A Few Dollars More, The Flight of the Phoenix, Juliet of the Spirits
    1964 Dr. Strangelove, A Fistful of Dollars, Zulu, Zorba the Greek
    1963 8 1/2, High and Low, The Leopard, The Great Escape
    1962 Lawrence of Arabia, Harakiri, The Longest Day, The Miracle Worker, Sanjuro
    1961 Yojimbo, Through a Glass Darkly
    1960 La Dolce Vita, Spartacus, The Virgin Spring, Inherit the Wind
    1959 Anatomy of a Murder, 400 Blows, Fires on the Plain, Some Like it Hot
    1958 Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, Hidden Fortress
    1957 Wild Strawberries, The Seventh Seal, Paths of Glory, Nights of Cabiria, Throne of Blood, The Bridge on the River Kwai, 12 Angry Men, Witness For the Prosecution, Kanal
    1956 The Searchers, A Man Escaped
    1955 Smiles of a Summer Night, Night of the Hunter
    1954 Seven Samurai, La Strada, On the Waterfront
    1953 Julius Caesar, The Wages of Fear, From Here to Eternity, I Vitelloni,
    1952 High Noon, Ikiru, Umberto D., Singin' in the Rain, Forbidden Games, The White Sheik
    1951 A Streetcar Named Desire, An American in Paris, The African Queen
    1950 Rashomon, Sunset Boulevard, All About Eve, Asphalt Jungle, Harvey
    1949 All the King's Men, Stray Dog, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
    1948 The Bicycle Thief, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Drunken Angel, Red River, Rope, The Red Shoes
    1947 Out of the Past, The Lady From Shanghai
    1946 The Big Sleep, It's a Wonderful Life
    1945 Rome, Open City, Children of Paradise, Scarlet Street
    1944 Double Indemnity, Arsenic and Old Lace
    1943 Ossessione
    1942 Casablanca
    1941 Citizen Kane, The Maltese Falcon, How Green Was My Valley
    1940 The Philadelphia Story, His Girl Friday
    1939 Gone With the Wind, The Wizard of Oz
    1938 Pygmalion
    1937 The Grand Illusion
    1936 My Man Godfry
    1935 Mutiny on the Bounty
    1934 The Scarlet Empress
    1933 Gold Diggers of 1933
    1932 Trouble in Paradise
    1931 M, City Lights
    1930 All Quiet on the Western Front
    1929 Living Russia, or The Man With A Camera
    1928 The Passion of Joan of Arc
    1927 Metropolis
    1926 The General
    1925 The Gold Rush
    1924 Sherlock Jr.
    1923 Safety Last!
    1922 Nosferatu
    1921 The Kid
    1920 The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
    1919 Sunnyside
    1918 A Dog's Life
    1917 The Immigrant
    1916 Intolerance
    1915 The Birth of a Nation
    1903 The Great Train Robbery
    1902 A Trip to the Moon
    I messed up putting Hitchcock as American but there's no way in hell we Canadians are letting you Americans claim James Cameron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    I messed up putting Hitchcock as American but there's no way in hell we Canadians are letting you Americans claim James Cameron.
    That's fine, he's probably done more harm than good after The Terminator and Aliens. Titanic, Avatar, True Lies, and Dark Angel sucked. You can have him back and put him alongside Celine Dion, Bryan Adams, Justin Bieber, The Red Green Show, Tim Hortons, and Martin Short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalterror View Post
    That's fine, he's probably done more harm than good after The Terminator and Aliens. Titanic, Avatar, True Lies, and Dark Angel sucked. You can have him back and put him alongside Celine Dion, Bryan Adams, Justin Bieber, The Red Green Show, Tim Hortons, and Martin Short.
    Okay, so long as you prohibit Miley Cyrus, Paris Hilton, Honey Boo-boo, Rob Schneider and Kevin James from ever slithering across the border into my fair country. And you must also return to us Ellen Page, Jason Reitman, Ryan Gosling and Christopher Plummer.

    Termintor 2 is a classic. Titanic and Avatar were grossly over-rated, maybe two of the most over-rated films ever, but they were still visually spectacular, very well-made films.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neely View Post
    Over the last 100 years would have to be America, in terms of the mass media, film etc. Of all time (Western) it would have to be the Greek/Roman culture, cornerstone of Western thought etc, I can't see any arguments with that...
    Yes and no. England is easily a contender on media, but you forget things, China has been isolated from American culture for 70 or so of those 100 years. All of the "west" put together doesn't pass China in terms of population. India is similar, but their swallowing of European culture has been rather large, especially English culture.

    Still, I am not going to play with this argument because I don't really believe in cultural isolation, in the sense of "civilizations" being divided entities, especially since there has almost been constant contact between China and Europe for the past 2000 years.

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