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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    Truth is simply as right and wrong. Truth as it correct as oppose to not. Truth as what must you do as oppose to what must you follow. Is truth what you think or what you believe?
    A good example of truth is this: Is there truth to existence? and if there is not then why on earth why not?
    Clairvoyances are all about ''a truth'' and many believe in them. Is they don't does make them a lie?
    If someone tells you to bungee jump and you do it did you do it because you believed in him or is it because you wanted to?
    So you are asking whether your opinions exist, n'est pas? If that is it, then yes, your own truth exists, but you already knew that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    Truth is simply as right and wrong. Truth as it correct as oppose to not. Truth as what must you do as oppose to what must you follow. Is truth what you think or what you believe?
    A good example of truth is this: Is there truth to existence? and if there is not then why on earth why not?
    Clairvoyances are all about ''a truth'' and many believe in them. Is they don't does make them a lie?
    If someone tells you to bungee jump and you do it did you do it because you believed in him or is it because you wanted to?
    I think you are trying too hard to make a word that has a well-known, literal meaning into something abstract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    Hi hannah what is an objective truth? do you mean as oppose to subjective?
    Yes, I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    Truth is simply as right and wrong. Truth as it correct as oppose to not. Truth as what must you do as oppose to what must you follow. Is truth what you think or what you believe?
    A good example of truth is this: Is there truth to existence? and if there is not then why on earth why not?
    Clairvoyances are all about ''a truth'' and many believe in them. Is they don't does make them a lie?
    If someone tells you to bungee jump and you do it did you do it because you believed in him or is it because you wanted to?
    Are you talking about Goodness or Truth? I sense an ambivalence towards the common proposition that if there is Truth, ethics may come into play. But the Good deals with what is beneficial for the community - whereas Truth deals with the validity of informational threads. There can never be Absolute truth for our limited perspectives, that I know of, but there are certainly shards of truth, solid links in the chain of cause and effect.

    I mean, you wouldn't say "a^2+b^2=c^2 is the Truth", but nor would you say 'that's not a truth!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Shaw View Post
    Are you talking about Goodness or Truth? I sense an ambivalence towards the common proposition that if there is Truth, ethics may come into play. But the Good deals with what is beneficial for the community - whereas Truth deals with the validity of informational threads. There can never be Absolute truth for our limited perspectives, that I know of, but there are certainly shards of truth, solid links in the chain of cause and effect.

    I mean, you wouldn't say "a^2+b^2=c^2 is the Truth", but nor would you say 'that's not a truth!'
    Interesting. I am simply thinking is there truth to anything because if there is then there has got to have a falseness somewhere. Opposites have their words and so are similars. For a truth to be one must have a falseness to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    Interesting. I am simply thinking is there truth to anything because if there is then there has got to have a falseness somewhere. Opposites have their words and so are similars. For a truth to be one must have a falseness to start with.

    Simply thinking, huh?
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    Yes there is falsehood, but that doesn't negate truth, just shows a view's inaccuracies on a position. because as its been said, our interpretation aims to be objective but in the end is always subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaman_Raman View Post
    Simply thinking, huh?
    Indeed Shaman haha. Thinking the kudos to intellectual shenanigan. Why turf when you can surf.
    A planet appears flat but then not so from the outset. The element of observations is all sorts. One can only assume something and then finds out it is something else. So flat was no right/false and the round is was the correct/the right one. There is one truth the evidence but only to precedent that is a presumption and that was incorrectness.
    Truth as a result of an assumption that misplaced not thought out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Shaw View Post
    Yes there is falsehood, but that doesn't negate truth, just shows a view's inaccuracies on a position. because as its been said, our interpretation aims to be objective but in the end is always subjective.
    Let's put it this way which do you think came first truth or falsehood?
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    Hard to say, but probably truth: for instance, the laws of physics were there/true before we started to discover them, but Einstein's theories are not free of flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Shaw View Post
    Hard to say, but probably truth: for instance, the laws of physics were there/true before we started to discover them, but Einstein's theories are not free of flaws.
    Yes, but what are the laws of physics? If math is used as a language for physics, then there are many many true laws. But if physics is understood as the language of math, then there are no true laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafolini View Post
    Yes, but what are the laws of physics? If math is used as a language for physics, then there are many many true laws. But if physics is understood as the language of math, then there are no true laws.
    Such is the paradoxical nature of truth. It might be better to ask, which came first order or chaos? This may be a stretch, but the laws of physics are patterns ingrained into nature (hence their apparent universality) that regulate space/time.

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    Order came first. Chaos is prejudice as to what, when, where and how is the order. This is absolutely obvious. Good luck in eventually realizing these facts.

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    Yes, there is truth.

    Given logic, "No, there is no truth" is impossible. It's self contradictory. It cannot be a true statement, because its truth would contradict its claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecurb View Post
    Yes, there is truth.

    Given logic, "No, there is no truth" is impossible. It's self contradictory. It cannot be a true statement, because its truth would contradict its claim.
    That is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan Shaw View Post
    Hard to say, but probably truth: for instance, the laws of physics were there/true before we started to discover them, but Einstein's theories are not free of flaws.
    In order to get to the truth one experiments and assumes. Trials and error. I am assuming one has to seclude include and then discover. An error is what allows one to decide that something is not right somewhere. If everything we did was correct then there is no right or wrong to it.
    Hence inventions. One notices something is missing and so go on to invent to prevent it.
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