Reality seems to drag the idea that it is linked to truth.
I say there is no truth because there is reality. It is either one or the other.
I am real and so whether I am true or not is up to me.
Is there Truth?
Reality seems to drag the idea that it is linked to truth.
I say there is no truth because there is reality. It is either one or the other.
I am real and so whether I am true or not is up to me.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
Fine proposition, Cacain, and now from poesy you are leaping to philosophy. And this is progress, evolution. This issue called truth is a central issue all of our ancestors down the civilizations are pivoting and yet there is no clue to it. Reality and truth are unseemly nuances, and they are coats, crusts and few could have delved into deeper and profounder realms. If one is blind light is a false idea and if one is deaf sound does not exist. That the one who speaks for the existence of light or against it is a debatable proposition, and before both of polemics lay vast territories of the unknowns. At a tender age you are veering in this unexplored zone.
Who knows the truth or reality about himself and his environment? Truth is a pathless path as J Krishnamurti had said in his famous discourse. Notwithstanding its unknowingness it is really fascinating to discuss it, think about it.
The very inquiry of you pushes you a few inches closer to truth.
Interesting read you posted osho. Truth is overestimated and it is an exaggeration of reality. It is a synonym of the unknow the ether that we never ever get to cross or see. Such is the truth. But if one must insist of getting a piece of it, then one must. The extreme of wanting what is not wanted is costly.
We humans humiliate thentell the truth we go to the end of our wits to hide from it. We bully we bribe and we lie because the truth is an inch harder then a foot wide of lie. It is not something we feel comfortable with. We hide the truth and as a return of favour the truth hides us. Irony? yes indeed.
What does one expect from one's affirmation of a figment of one's imagination? a piece of a cake? doubt it and so we go chasing it and it shall chase us but it will never gives us it.
So I am done with it. I don't believe truth is. I believe I am and this IS reality.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
I bow before the princess and the prince.Originally Posted by cacian
"All victories breed hate, and that over your superior is foolish or fatal. Superiority is always detested, à fortiori superiority over superiority. Caution can gloss over common advantages; for example, good looks may be cloaked by careless attire. There be some that will grant you precedence in good luck or good temper, but none in good sense, least of all a prince; for good sense is a royal prerogative, any claim to that is a case of lèse majesté. They are princes, and wish to be so in that most princely of qualities. They will allow a man to help them but not to surpass them, and will have any advice tendered them appear like a recollection of something they have forgotten rather than as a guide to something they cannot find. The stars teach us this finesse with happy tact; though they are hischildren and brilliant like him, they never rival the brilliancy of the sun." Balthasar Grazian
I think theres is a truth, but in a personal sort of way. Each person has their own perceptions on what is real and what is true. Like in religions, one person may say Christianity while another says Islam. There both true to that person, but a lie to the other. Its like a person seeing a ghost; its real to that person, but unsee-able to the other.
So them, it's not a truth nor the truth. A truth occurs in the statement of what's indisputably happening and nowhere else.
Not a bad discussion...it seems any agreement about truth through religion or philosophy is trying to set a concrete idea of the absolute goodness. So I ask, is what is true Good? Or is what is good True? Which comes first?
"We sat around, scratching the earth with our feet, half looking up for a sign of the end. And all the while it had long since come and gone." Alexi Murdoch
Well it did occur to me whether religion is the new monarchy. You see it is not about monarchy it is about religion and religion does not like monarchs for the only reason that monarch state they are related to god and religion states that god is only related to Jesus and that he is only a monarch to his kingdom in heaven. What religion sits out to do is to take over the monarch so that we do what it says and god can stay out of it.
It then a monarch is removed like the case of the french revolution then religion moves on to stake its claim over god here on earth.
Monarchy is the enemy of religion because it reminds religion that god not only rules in the heavens but also on earht through his monarchs.
That is the only truth anything else after that isn't.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
It seems to me that the objective truth doesn`t exist.
Everything is relative and truth too is relative. Our vision is limited and we deem our visualization to be true and everything is not visualized and our capacity for knowing truth is dimensional. The sun and the earth are two great truths and we cannot visualize or actualize greater truths than these two entities.
When you see a mountain top and you think this is the highest peak and since there are no adjoining peaks ascending higher than that but the moment you summit it another higher mountain is likely to emerge. But the tallness of the mountain too is relative since there are inner summits we have yet to climb. Attitudinal heights are immeasurable by worldly gauges. There are spiritual altitudes and of course the peak the Buddha had escalated is a nuanced truth. We have no measuring rod or standard to scale that height,
Hi hannah what is an objective truth? do you mean as oppose to subjective?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
This topic is beyond hilarious.
My hide hides the heart inside
I think that concept of this thread is interesting, but it lacks definition. What is truth? Without a definition there can be no coherent discussion, because everyone will comment about his own concept of "truth".
Before we can find it for you you will have to tell us what you are looking for.
This, exactly.
My hide hides the heart inside
Truth is simply as right and wrong. Truth as it correct as oppose to not. Truth as what must you do as oppose to what must you follow. Is truth what you think or what you believe?
A good example of truth is this: Is there truth to existence? and if there is not then why on earth why not?
Clairvoyances are all about ''a truth'' and many believe in them. Is they don't does make them a lie?
If someone tells you to bungee jump and you do it did you do it because you believed in him or is it because you wanted to?
Last edited by cacian; 03-30-2013 at 02:46 PM.
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
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