Perhaps this book by Tolkien will be considered hereafter as one of the best written documents of the last century, although using an epical frame. I spent the last fourtnight to read Rhetoric and Poetics by Aristotle. Great analyses.
Perhaps this book by Tolkien will be considered hereafter as one of the best written documents of the last century, although using an epical frame. I spent the last fourtnight to read Rhetoric and Poetics by Aristotle. Great analyses.
Greek people thought that foreigners talked uttering words which looked to them sounding something like 'bar...bar...bar...bar....'. All the people who when talking sounded like that were foreigner, not greek people. The noun comes from an onomatopeic common expression which described this hearing perception.Originally Posted by Goodman Brown
Has anybody ever read "Conan"? To tell you the truth I prefer "Solomon Kane" but the first image of Barbarian coming to my mind is Conan.
It's the truest one, the most typical one. So I'd rather prefer Conan. It's wilder and more primitive. Solomon Kane looks to me a middle-ages character, more modern and urban, isn't he?
I also heard that etymology, but I jst decided to look it up, and the word is a little older.
barbarian
mid-14c., from M.L. barbarinus (cf. O.Fr. barbarin "Berber, pagan, Saracen, barbarian"), from L. barbaria "foreign country," from Gk. barbaros "foreign, strange, ignorant," from PIE base *barbar- echoic of unintelligible speech of foreigners (cf. Skt. barbara- "stammering," also "non-Aryan"). Greek barbaroi
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/barbarian?s=ts
But it is quite possible that it was just that the same origin arose long before anyone spoke Greek.
How do you understand the word 'primitive'?
Definetely, Solomon is completely different from Conan so it is very difficult to compare them.
If we discuss the origin of the words: very often I have heard that 'slavic' is connected with 'slavery'. However, at university, I was taught that it wasn`t correct.
Last edited by hannah_arendt; 02-13-2013 at 03:13 PM.
I read it. It is grit, pulp, but some good enough histories. Mostly the first. The character is slighty more interesting on the tales, very simple, plain but useful.
"Slave" and "Slav" were the same word about 1200 years ago.
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English sclave < Medieval Latin sclāvus (masculine), sclāva (feminine) slave, special use of Sclāvus Slavic, so called because Slavs were commonly enslaved in the early Middle Ages; see Slav (dictionary.com)
see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe
I won't do all of the research again, but it was illegal for Christians to own other Christians. so they went to the pagan regions nearby and stole people for resale; those people were Slavs (so called after the Goddess Slava). I have seen the word "slave" as going back to the 9th century CE, but some sources show later dates.
Thanks for your answer.
Unfortunately, Slavs are still very mysterious for us. There is in Poland a place called Biskupin but I think that it doesn`t have much in common in real settlements from this period in Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biskupin
No, that place was about 1000 years earlier. The taking od Slavs was mostly from about 400 CE until abouut 900 CE, by which time most had become Christians, so they became off limits for slavers.
Sorry, well, I understand it as an acception of tribal (a society ruled by chieftains and some sort of shamans with very rudimentary technology, basic language and living in huts).
So Conan looks tribal, primitive, from neolithic times...and Solomon Kane lives in a more developed society. Conan definitely looks that he came from some sort of east countries or from the steppes of Eastern Europe...It's an impression.
Last edited by jayat; 02-14-2013 at 01:38 PM.
It seems to me that Conan can be considered as as image of an Celt. He is also consisted of more than one character.
Solomon Kane is a puritan, child of a different time. This cycle is said to have been written earlier than "Conan".
If it comes to Poland, Biskupin is one of the earliest settlements. Unfortunately we don`t have here more remnants from this epoque.
Biskupin predates Slavs being in that area. I didn't see any suggestion as to who lived there. I think they might have been Celts, but that's a guess.
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