^ Thank you, yes I believe everyone has realized the senselessness of this thread, none-the-less there's a point still, be it subjective, ambiguous, and abstract. The language is the language, nationality is unimportant, or at least should be.
I find translation every bit as keen an art, many might disagree, arguing almost any points in any and all arts is nonsensical, so I'll leave it there, being no where.
It's a matter of reading the text , from which angle are u looking at it.Originally Posted by Charles Darnay
For instance, the South African author Coetzee wrote his novel Foe as a response to Robinson Cruso which silenced both women and slaves . wasn't this the ideology of the British at that period?
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I should have underlined the words English and American - that was my point.
I wrote a poem on a leaf and it blew away...
No, not senseless . In the academy , in libraries when u do a research they differentiate between the two. You won't find Ahdaf Souif under English Literature . She's Egyptian my dear . And when they gave Roy the booker prize , they gave it for an indian novel cz she's an indian writer.
^A far point; but I try not to make such things matter, and there is great point to be made in not giving a hoot.
Literature is so subjective, fun to find some like minded people, beyond that, it becomes...
Reading literature is subjective but labeling literature and writers is more ideological and political. For instance, we didn't call those who translated and wrote in Arabic , Arab writers : we call them Orientalist . This is political too
You obviously didn't understand what I said, my dear. I was agree with what you said and the person I was responding to also; and I also implied that pretty much everyone agrees, even the person who posted the thread most probably, and therefore the thread itself is silly, of course there is nationality. My point was, it is all, on the whole literature foremost, and shouldn't really matter.
and silly as well.Reading literature is subjective but labeling literature and writers is more ideological and political. For instance, we didn't call those who translated and wrote in Arabic , Arab writers : we call them Orientalist . This is political too
I thought it would only be English if there was something in the book or about its author that was closely related to England.
The first Filipino novel was written in Spanish and in Spain in 1885. To call it a Spanish novel is negating the intent of its author who wrote anti-colonial and anti-Spain sentiments.
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"You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same."
--Jonathan Davis
and silly as well.Reading literature is subjective but labeling literature and writers is more ideological and political. For instance, we didn't call those who translated and wrote in Arabic , Arab writers : we call them Orientalist . This is political too
why are u wasting ur time on silly things then ?!!! u come here often and read ?!!
I suppose as I already said, like minded people. Academic scrutiny isn't the only thing here, then again maybe I'm mistaken. You shouldn't take things personally, like hearted jokes in particular, that weren't even aimed at you directly. lightn' thy loadeth.
ok , sorry I misunderstood you
oops, it'd be thou, wouldn't it?
That's cool, no sweat. Chances are, I haven't a clue anywho.
From the discussion and the title itself, the thread seems as if it were derived from a lack of vocabulary...
English literature =/= literature in English
Translation= literature translated in [language]
But really the identification of literature as coming from an ethnicity is slowly vanishing today, with the event of globalism and given importance to speculative fiction. It is and will always be important to preserve ethnic cultures and such, so to say that a novel is part of the English literature because it is English is irresponsible, given that there are many novels written in English which have a purpose of being a porte-parole of an ethnic group.
I think what defines whether a literary work is coming from an ethnic group is the perspective under which it was written, how this perspective was written and the themes prevalent to the conception of the plot. I mean; if someone had written a novel under an Afro-American perspective and that the writer characterised this character in the most racially-offensive way possible, I wouldn't call it Afro-American literature.
But again there is the concept of overlap.
^What a clever and informative remark! I had absolutely no idea that when Garnett translated Dostoevsky, still somehow, against all odds, continued the existence of the original Russian, thanks for clarifying that! Live and learn, LIVE AND LEARN....
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