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    Americans are frightened of each other. Are they so nasty? Guess their own answer's yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by miyako73 View Post
    I wish the right to bear arms is about mounting arms of bears on walls.
    At this time of year in Oz we have the right to bare arms
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    The right to bear arms is fundamental, part of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. However, citing that sacred document requires that we consider the historic background in which it was enacted.

    The former American colonies had just fought and successfully won a war in which they achieved independence from the British crown. There remained a lingering fear that the British might soon try again to reclaim the country-- which turned out to be prophetic with the War of 1812. Hence, the right of the people to form a well-regulated militia was embedded in America's founding document, in case the nation would be placed in a position where it needed to defend itself.

    Also, private citizens were assured that they'd be able to hunt
    responsibly as well as defend the lives and property of their families. No one denied them this right then; no one really does now.

    What's different is that somehow there is a misconception among some that the right to bear arms means ANY kind of
    weapon, acquired by ANYONE. Somehow common sense and public safety has been forgotten.

    The "right to bear arms" as envisioned by the founding fathers grew out of a knowledge of the kind of weaponry available during the late eighteenth century. The common firearm of the time was the musket,a single-shot weapon requiring a time consuming process between shots. There was no way the framers of the Constitution could have envisioned a world in which a person can easily obtain a type of assault weapon capable of firing rapid and successive deadly shots.

    That is why we as a nation should take a look at the proliferation of high-tech weapons in the hands of people who have been so inured by a culture of violence, promulgated --unwittingly or deliberately-- by popular media, movies, music,video games-- that there has developed a deep-seated belief that the way to solve personal problems or even instantly perceived "threats" is with a gun, the bigger and more deadly the gun, the better.

    For more information, "Google" wearebetterthanthis.org, or better yet, take a look at Ezra Klein's article in which he examines the facts about gun violence:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-united-states
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    I'm biased. The American Constitution sounds as sacred as the Ten Commandments to me. While Australians have fought and died in a never ending war for them and never has the US gone to bat for another country under the same conditions, I'm apathetic on whether Americans kill each other over constitutional rights and freedoms in their own backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    I'm biased. The American Constitution sounds as sacred as the Ten Commandments to me. While Australians have fought and died in a never ending war for them and never has the US gone to bat for another country under the same conditions, I'm apathetic on whether Americans kill each other over constitutional rights and freedoms in their own backyard.
    The American Constitution is subject to amendment, but whether the right to bear arms is changed is a question for them to decide: outside interference should be treated with the contempt that it deserves.
    "L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.

    "Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emil Miller View Post
    The American Constitution is subject to amendment, but whether the right to bear arms is changed is a question for them to decide: outside interference should be treated with the contempt that it deserves.
    You're absolutely right Emil. I'll just throw another shrimp on the barbie....
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    Mostly rednecks defend gun laws because they are anti-social anyway, and they don't give a hoot about society, their neighbors, or the welfare of our kids or our future.. look how they raise their kids. I say we need gun control... any decent person with enough common sense would understand that, and I don't give a **** who I offend. I'm so tired of tip toeing around what's the honest truth here.


    Let me also say that my husband is a retired police officer and detective, and we both agree there needs to be control. Point blank.


    This is why we need a democrat in office, because this will never be resolved if our country was run by a republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMaga View Post
    Mostly rednecks defend gun laws because they are anti-social anyway,(blatant ignorance posing as fact) and they don't give a hoot about society, their neighbors, or the welfare of our kids or our future..(you don't seem to care about grammar) look how they raise their kids(more ignorant generalizations). I say we need gun control... any decent person (so decent people believe exactly what you believe?) with enough common sense would understand that, and I don't give a **** who I offend(you sound like the stereotypical bible bumping redneck). I'm so tired of tip toeing around what's the honest truth here. (again stupidity posing as the truth)


    Let me also say that my husband is a retired police officer and detective, and we both agree there needs to be control. Point blank.(What does that mean to me. Point Blank! Isn't that a bad movie?)


    This is why we need a democrat in office, because this will never be resolved if our country was run by a republican.(It matters very little who is in office. Drink Pepsi or Coke, you get diabetes either way.)
    Your opinion is not fact. Point blank!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMaga View Post
    Mostly rednecks defend gun laws because they are anti-social anyway, and they don't give a hoot about society, their neighbors, or the welfare of our kids or our future.. look how they raise their kids. I say we need gun control... any decent person with enough common sense would understand that.
    So what you're saying is there are currently more rednecks in America than decent people with common sense.
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    To be honest with you, it seems that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by E.A Rumfield View Post
    Your opinion is not fact. Point blank!

    Oh God here we go. The grammar police! Do you want to discuss the topic at hand, or do you want to check my homework?

    I speak three languages. How many do you speak?
    Last edited by LaMaga; 12-15-2012 at 11:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMaga View Post
    Oh God here we go. The grammar police! Do you want to discuss the topic at hand, or do you want to check my homework?

    I speak three languages. How many do you speak?
    The matter at hand is not your grammar. What does it matter how many languages, you don't need to prove anything to me. Your words in no matter what language tell the full story.
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    Here's a fact. It will happen again and soon.

    Ok not literally a fact, but these are;


    153 Americans were shot that day, the Annual score is approaching 100,000. You are 42 times more likely to be shot in America, than Britain. Etc.. etc...etc..
    Last edited by prendrelemick; 12-16-2012 at 04:05 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E.A Rumfield View Post
    Your opinion is not fact. Point blank!


    Point Blank!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    Mmmm that link took me nowhere. I looked up the history of massacres in Australia only because given the small population of this nation, 13 massacres in 16 years just doesn't add up. Prior to 1996 we were a relaxed nation in terms of gun laws - a naive one even but the killing of 35 people at Port Arthur changed all of that. The government not only banned semi's and tightened gun laws, they also spent $350m on a buy back program and as a result, over 640,000 guns were handed in.
    Gun related crime may have fell, but (off the top of my head, I don't have the facts right on hand) violent crime and theft in general has soared. In fact, ignore what I said about not having the facts on hand, I just googled it and it's easy enough to see.
    Do you not find it strange that when the strict gun laws were added, violent crime rose in general? That's because an unarmed target is an easy target, and criminals have very little to fear.

    Now, as heartless as this may sound, I really don't believe all these gun massacres are hugely important in the discussion. Sure, they're big and get all the media attention, but do they really make up the majority of gun murders in the world?

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