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    I am positive Juliet loved Romeo, and it would seem that Shakespeare is suggesting Romeo loves her. In truth, whether you think the love is plausible or not is really missing the point of the play. The central focus of the play is the sacrifical death of the two lovers, because of their parents' and societies inability to allow them to openly love each other. The old Patriarchs are too preoccupied with their battle, and Tybalt is too preoccupied with his desire to perpetuate Capulet's war, to enable a space to created where the two lovers can openly express their feelings, both physically and spiritually.

    The only time, actually, the lovers can actually be full with each other, is, ironically, the time right before Romeo must go and never see Juliet alive again. The space contained within the night before dawn, and embodied in the song of the Nightingale, an old symbol, gesturing back to Ovid's Philomela, is the one moment when love, for a brief period, while the battle sleeps, can find its inviolable fullness. This image later is taken up by Keats in his Ode to a Nightingale, but the idea is ancient. The restrictions of everyday life finally are removed, in a sphere where love can briefly flourish, and the two lovers can be together.

    Unsurprisingly, it is also this moment that the central image of the poem, as Frye remarked in his essay on Romeo and Juliet (I'm not sure exactly where he got the notion) the central imagery begins to pertain towards gunpowder. The illusion of the existence of the space, is suddenly complete jeopardized, and waiting to explode. That is the centre of the poem. That the grotesqueness of these two Patriarchs, and the whole of Verona, leads to these lovers to take their lives. Because of their inability to allow their children's love to flourish, the only choice really, is death. Fulfillment cannot be gained without it.

    I know, someone along here I seem to have crossed Shakespeare with Wagner, but I think the message is somewhat fundamental to the constructs of society up until this very day. I think, to get back to the question, that that is a naive reading, built mainly from a misreading of scholarship that tries to focus too heavily on character analysis. In general, the words and the actions, according to the conventions of drama at the time, seem all to suggest the two lovers truly love each other. In fact, love back then was perceived as something more physical than it is today, and seems far more optimistic. I think some critics, however, tend to focus too heavily on character, and miss the central point of the story, by removing the idea that Romeo truly loves Juliet. I am, without a doubt, certain that the play makes it perfectly clear Juliet loves Romeo. And I am almost as certain the play makes it clear Romeo returns that love. All the highschool constructed readings of viewing the lovers as "teenagers" (a concept non-existent in Shakespeare's time) or as too young to love is rather silly. In truth, the play, especially focusing on Juliet, who is one of the greatest creations of Shakespeare, seems to suggest a sort of coming of age narrative as well. Juliet, before sheltered and subject to her parent's wishes reaches the age where she has a sexual awakening, and breaks from the zone of control her parents enforced. The progress of the characters show that she is fully capable of making rational decisions, and is very much in love, and mature for her age. I think the best lines to support this would be her famous:

    My bounty is as boundless as the sea,
    My love as deep; the more I give to thee,
    The more I have, for both are infinite.

    Those aren't the lines of a child - she is fully conscious of what she is saying, and she is fully conscious of the notion that Romeo returns the love.

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    But at the beginning Romeo is portrayed as a typical lovelorn guy- a bit like Orsino. Orsino doesn't actually love Olivia- he just likes the idea of love.

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    I was thinking about this very topic the last few days. I have read some of these comments, but not all. Like some, I agree that by todays standards, many may view Romeo as not loving Juliet. But I think that comes because many people now days expect someone to "prove" their love, by dating a period of time, hitting milestones, such as meeting the parents, moving in together, something along those lines. However, there are people that don't need that. I married my husband 4 days after meeting him, and 9 years later we are happy together, and have 2 beautiful daughters. We loved each other then, and we love each other now. Many people call us crazy for marrying so young. When it comes to love, I think it is important to remember everyone loves differently, and not all fit into the mold made by society today.
    Personally, when I read Romeo and Juliet, I view their love as a more innocent love, a younger love. They are stripped from our societies mold of how things should be, how things should go in a relationship. They just love each other.

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    Romeo loved Juliet,
    Juliet loved Romeo.
    There's no deep other secret meaning.
    Thats how it is
    When you're close to tears remember,
    someday, it'll all be over...


    "Words to cut your emotions with.
    Words to make you feel worthless with
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    In my Romeo and Juliet analyse ( at school) I wrote the same statment, as Romiet. My teacher was shocked. O and I've called Juliete a whore. No really, Romeo was just lady-man and Juliete to naive little girl. Moral (not what Shakespeare wanted to say, but what I've learnt): You can't loose you head because of love ( or lust, no matter). Love isn't a constant thing. It changes many time in life ( expecially unrequited love) . R&J love isn't something speciall. Them feelings were selfish. Love is a selfish little thing. That's why they fighted so much over it. They fought for 5 minutes happiness, because they were stuborn and because they held them opinions more right then them perents. Juliete believed in Romeo, about Romeo, I don't know, strange things happens to him...I can only say, that I found Rosaline the most atractive of them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romiet View Post
    This play sends a really bad message to young people.
    Shakespeare's plays are not intended as life guides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudkip View Post
    Shakespeare's plays are not intended as life guides.
    LOL. Imagine Titus and Gertrude writing good parenting guides, or Helena from All's Well That Ends Well's guide to love- gotta love a bed trick. Or in Duke Vincentio's case, a bed trick and a head trick.

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    As I recall, he killed himself with a dagger. Would you kill yourself for anything less than love? Yes, he loved her; couldn't live without her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byquist View Post
    As I recall, he killed himself with a dagger. Would you kill yourself for anything less than love? Yes, he loved her; couldn't live without her.
    no,*he*was*just

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    At moment I am read 'Romeo and Juliet' at college and sort try figure how out my write essay.

    On this subject, Romeo come across has a boy just wanted Juliet in bed and is play up to her with romance words. Juliet is flatted by it all and get sweep up the romance of it all. And you generally find must 14 -16 boys main girls think true or wanted to be.
    English my native language and have characterizes of dyslexia.

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    I have pass by English Exam.

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    Okay, this may well sidetrack the discussion a bit, but I think defining the terms are vital.

    What is "love"? What does it mean to "be in love"? Are these the same? To what extent did Romeo love or to what extent was Romeo in love with Juliet, or both?

    In my own mind, "to be in love" is the euphoric emotions usually identified with young love. "Lust" has been bandied about, and it would be foolish to exclude physical desire from the equation. But "being in love" is far more complex than lust. Being in love make the object of the emotion the focus of every thought. It is experiencing all the wonder of discovering who that person is, the foolish optimism of a future of bliss unfolding in the mind's eye. It is often irrational. I feel that this describes Romeo very aptly. He was enthralled. Wrapped up in the experience. His ignoring of the obstacles and his despair at finding Juliet "dead" fit this well. Being loopy and being in love are far from mutually exclusive.

    Okay, but what about love? Did Romeo really love Juliet? Well, what is love. This is more difficult one, I think. Defining love, that is. I'm convinced true, genuine love dwells more in the will than in the emotions. It's not just the feeling "I really like this person." it's the decision "I will stand by this person, trust this person, show kindness, care and respect for this person no matter what." It's a willing, self-sacrificing commitment. It's like the song "Do you love me?" from Fiddler on the Roof.

    "Do I love him?
    For twenty-five years I've lived with him
    Fought him, starved with him
    Twenty-five years my bed is his
    If that's not love, what is?"

    Okay, that's not the Romantic ideal. In love was in vogue at the time of Shakespeare and I'd say it remains in vogue today--crazy kids (mumble grumble). I don't think Romeo possessed a love of that depth yet, but few people develop it overnight. What Romeo had could well have matured into this kind of love, and given that he was married and what that meant at that time (yeah, cheating was rife, but not universal) he had a fair shot.


    What do you think? Is that what you mean when you talk about "love" and "in love"? Or am I way off base?

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    Romeo and Juliet played at love. "What light through yonder window breaks? It is the dawn and Juliet is the sun!" They were very young, and, like Gorice 10 in The Worm Oborous, they invoked a magic which they lacked the power to control -- and it destroyed them.

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    I agree with Ecurb. They allowed themselves to get caught up in the initially thrilling sexual awakening (at least on Juliet's part) but are unable to see anything beyond the now, hence they die.

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    Romiet has a point

    Of course Romeo didn't love Juliet. What he wanted was a quick leg-over. As usual, Juliet falls into the trap of believing he loves her.. etc etc blah blah. Why do you you think the Capulet family hated the Mountagues? The very start of the play is a hint of how the young men thought of women: pushing girls "to the wall" etc etc. A right bunch of thugs with nothing else on their minds but banging heads and maidens. Romeo and his pals are no better.

    The Nurse knew the score: she's a right old slag on the side, and loves the double meanings. She actually aids Juliet's loss of virginity.

    Romeo loved Juliet ? you got to be jokin. The play is about opposition stupidity and and hate.

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    I disagree with this statement. I think all the love they show is true. I think that Romeo and Juliet really did love each other. If they did not love each other they would have not gone through all the trouble to be together. Romeo and Juliet lost a lot of people that were important to them because of them being together. I do think they love each other because they would not have gone through all that trouble for people to die for them. William Shakespeare was trying to get out the message that they do love each other, not the message that they don’t. Even though Romeo and Juliet’s parents did not love each other, it does not mean Romeo and Juliet did not. Romeo left town so that there would not be any more trouble and that shows true love. If that did not care and love each other, he would not have left. The reason they died at the end of the book was for each other because they could not be with anyone else but each other.

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