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    Question do you believe Heaven and Hell exist?

    and is there a seventh heaven?
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
    good
    it fly

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    Based on near-death and shared-death experiences, I think there is evidence that we continue in some way after our deaths. Some people have reported heavenly experiences and some hellish. The descriptions of heaven and hell in any particular religion could be tested by these experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YesNo View Post
    Based on near-death and shared-death experiences, I think there is evidence that we continue in some way after our deaths. Some people have reported heavenly experiences and some hellish. The descriptions of heaven and hell in any particular religion could be tested by these experiences.
    Hi YesNo thank you for posting.
    What is a share-death experience?
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
    good
    it fly

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    No I don't. I'd like to hear more from YesNo regarding his experiences.

    But what reasons are there to believe (as in indubitable self-KNOWLEDGE) in an afterlife?

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    No and no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin View Post
    No and no.
    Haha not so quick.
    Why must you insist it is a no Varenne?
    Just curious to know if you do not mind me asking.
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
    good
    it fly

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    There just isn't enough space to accommodate everyone: therefore, no.
    I wrote a poem on a leaf and it blew away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Darnay View Post
    There just isn't enough space to accommodate everyone: therefore, no.
    Good point.
    That is an intriguing idea one I have not thought about.
    Oh well maybe not everyone makes it to heaven how else would you explain it to those who believe in it.
    As to hell I am not sure I count that as true.
    No point in a heaven if hell exists. That would be be call segregation and god would have a hefty task on his hand to sift through the good and the bad.
    I guess it is one or the other for peace of mind.
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
    good
    it fly

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    I do not believe in the Biblical version of Heaven and Hell, however I am a firm believer of life after death through reincarnation.

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    No, I am the collection of neurons - biological cells. Once they no longer function, I will not be able to experience anything. Without a functioning nervous system we cannot feel or sense anything. To believe otherwise would be a denial of basic high school level biology.
    Sufficiently intelligent people cannot have absolute opinions about anything important

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHatteras View Post
    To believe otherwise would be a denial of basic high school level biology.
    Or a belief in something outside the realm of science.

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    Which would be denial of basic science. You don't need to be a scientist to know that once one is brain dead, there cannot be any continuing thought processes, because thoughts are electrochemical charges transmitted over synapses by neurons. Once this is no longer happening, the person is no more.
    Last edited by CaptainHatteras; 10-10-2012 at 04:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainHatteras View Post
    Which would be denial of basic science. You don't need to be a scientist to know that once one is brain dead, there cannot be any continuing thought processes, because thoughts are electrochemical charges transmitted over synapses by neurons. Once this is no longer happening, the person is no more.
    This cannot be proven though. If there were a life after death, it would be impossible to detect it through scientific means of investigation. Nothing can be known of what happens after death.

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    As far as neuroscience has come since Descartes - and it has come a long way - it has not completely explained the mind/body relationship. There is still room within the realm of human mystery for the idea of thoughts to exist outside of the electric make-up of the brain.
    I wrote a poem on a leaf and it blew away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin View Post
    No and no.
    Ditto.
    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    Haha not so quick.
    Why must you insist it is a no Varenne?
    Just curious to know if you do not mind me asking.
    You asking for elaboration is the height of irony.

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