machismo

[Monamy]

So, based on Cacian and Paulclem's discussion, is Machismo a state resulting from the threatening effects other higher-intellectual people unconsciously create on lower-intellectual ones? Is Machismo being implemented as an attempt 'not to' feel inferior mentally by changing the rules of the game from mentality to physics (or the rule of the jungle: survival of the fittest?) If so, I think that also suggests that Machismo is related to females just as much as it is to males. Or, if we're taking a deeper look into females and males behaviors, maybe Paulclem meant it happens more with males than females?

To some degree, I can understand the relation between Machismo and Suvival of the fittest here, but is this really what Macho people feel and experience? I can't say for sure.

[Paulclem]

So, based on Cacian and Paulclem's discussion, is Machismo a state resulting from the threatening effects other higher-intellectual people unconsciously create on lower-intellectual ones? Is Machismo being implemented as an attempt 'not to' feel inferior mentally by changing the rules of the game from mentality to physics (or the rule of the jungle: survival of the fittest?) If so, I think that also suggests that Machismo is related to females just as much as it is to males. Or, if we're taking a deeper look into females and males behaviors, maybe Paulclem meant it happens more with males than females?

To some degree, I can understand the relation between Machismo and Suvival of the fittest here, but is this really what Macho people feel and experience? I can't say for sure.

I don't think machismo has anything to do with survival of the fittest. Survival of the fittest refers to evolutionary adaptability to a specific environment, not an attitude.

[Babyguile]

We have civilization because the civilized Romans were strong enough to defeat the more uncivilized peoples and bring civilization to them. We have culture in the first place because ancient hunters, MACHO men, went out and took on mammoths and big cats with spears.

Boyish nonsense.

[cacian]

Boyish nonsense.

LOL

[Paulclem]

As promised earlier, an interesting definition of machismo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machismo

And survival of the fittest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

Interestingly, the definition of Machismo does refer to:

The trait may be seen as the product of runaway evolution, as Frits Staal notes:

The peacock's tail, the enlarged claw of the male fiddler crab and the machismo of members of the human species are all exaggerated features that may cause injury to individuals that display them but attract females.[2]

The type of machismo I've seen has mainly been a male directed one, but the article dos refer to the poit of attracting women, but this is by scaring of male competition.

It's still ridiculous.

[Darcy88]

This video features the quintessence of machismo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX39J_YyKbs&feature=plcp

The fact that it likely makes many of the men of today squirm is just a sign that us men in the west have gone through a thorough process of sissification. And this coming from a man (me) who cries more than most women.

We have put down manliness AND femininity. We have apotheosized the man-machine. The person who has not flesh and blood but gears and oil. Passion is dead in the popular consciousness. Dead. One of Passion's great expressions is found in rugged manliness. In soldiers, athletes, regular working men who feel in themselves the warrior spirit.

[Paulclem]

I'm not impressed. Words are wind. He talks as if they are going to war - and you're right, that is the essence of machismo - hyperbolic nonsense.

The claim at the end seems to justify the speech - that they won a football game - but they might just have been the better side.

Our Rugby coach wasn't into speeches - or tactics for that matter. He'd just say "Go out there and **** 'em!" If we didn't, then he'd sulk.

[Alexander III]

This video features the quintessence of machismo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX39J_YyKbs&feature=plcp

The fact that it likely makes many of the men of today squirm is just a sign that us men in the west have gone through a thorough process of sissification. And this coming from a man (me) who cries more than most women.

We have put down manliness AND femininity. We have apotheosized the man-machine. The person who has not flesh and blood but gears and oil. Passion is dead in the popular consciousness. Dead. One of Passion's great expressions is found in rugged manliness. In soldiers, athletes, regular working men who feel in themselves the warrior spirit.

Well it's defiantly a lifeless man whose heart is not stirred by such a speech.

But then again just goes to show the danger of words. Use that speech during a basketball game and your players will leave the locker and go play a passionate game. Give that speech before going over the top to take the russian trenches, and you will have an inspiring casualty list afterwords due to recklessness.

[cacian]

I'm not impressed. Words are wind. He talks as if they are going to war - and you're right, that is the essence of machismo - hyperbolic nonsense.

The claim at the end seems to justify the speech - that they won a football game - but they might just have been the better side.

Our Rugby coach wasn't into speeches - or tactics for that matter. He'd just say "Go out there and **** 'em!" If we didn't, then he'd sulk.

Haha interesting.
I would say that the main reason he would sulk was not because you did not manage the win but more likely to do with him feeling inadequate in not managing to impress you with his big words.
The failure here lies upon him for failing to weigh his words against your will to achieve.
Had you achieved winning he would have doubled his ego which you would have to sweat very hard for it.
I guess it is down to one man's voice against another man's do.

[cacian]

Interesting that machismo is often associtated with manlyhood and is placated with words such as warrior and big muscle men.
I tend to believe that there is more to manlyhood then a speart and an attitude that bloat shooting your enemy and destroying your very surrounding.
I think one need to challenge this caveman attitude for there is more to the intellect to be had.
Such a challenge is not for the faint hearted or is it?

[Alexander III]

Boyish nonsense.

I think it rather naive and girlish (in the unicorns and rainbow way) to assume that civilization is not founded upon the bedrock of war.

[cacian]

I think it rather naive and girlish (in the unicorns and rainbow way) to assume that civilization is not founded upon the bedrock of war.

I beg to differ there is no such concept as bedrock to a war but then the word bed and rock is a shifty one.
A bed that rocks hmmm kind of shaky right?
Wars are the bedrock of destroyed civilisation architecture cultures and above all identity.
The more wars the more migrations the more people running away from their own self. No bedrock there.
Derooting your place of birth deroot identities and cultures and confuses one against another.
Moving people around like herds takes away your language your culture and eventully strips you of who you are.
One of the reasons the romans are no longer is because they spread wide and fast and eventually off track a little too far. This contributed to their own downfall. Everywhere to go and nowhere to turn. Lost in translation.
A bit like going around in very big a circle lots o runing but not quite sure how or when to stop so you eventually get a bit lost.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Well it's defiantly a lifeless man whose heart is not stirred by such a speech.

But then again just goes to show the danger of words. Use that speech during a basketball game and your players will leave the locker and go play a passionate game. Give that speech before going over the top to take the russian trenches, and you will have an inspiring casualty list afterwords due to recklessness.

I wasn't stirred. The same cliched crap can be heard in most sub-par "guy" movies.

[Alexander III]

I wasn't stirred. The same cliched crap can be heard in most sub-par "guy" movies.

Really? I thought that was a very good speech, I guess some guys just don't feel as passionately as others.

[Alexander III]

I beg to differ there is no such concept as bedrock to a war but then the word bed and rock is a shifty one.
A bed that rocks hmmm kind of shaky right?
Wars are the bedrock of destroyed civilisation architecture cultures and above all identity.
The more wars the more migrations the more people running away from their own self. No bedrock there.
Derooting your place of birth deroot identities and cultures and confuses one against another.
Moving people around like herds takes away your language your culture and eventully strips you of who you are.
One of the reasons the romans are no longer is because they spread wide and fast and eventually off track a little too far. This contributed to their own downfall. Everywhere to go and nowhere to turn. Lost in translation.
A bit like going around in very big a circle lots o runing but not quite sure how or when to stop so you eventually get a bit lost.

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