Homosexuality

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

I am wondering if certain things are not about principle.

I don't think I would be able to frequent a restaurant which refuses to serve Muslims or Jews or blacks... Or gays, for that matter.

I'm guessing no Chick-fil-A for you then?

[Shea]

I'm guessing no Chick-fil-A for you then?

Chick-Fil-A doesn't discriminate anyone. As far as I've been able to tell, the owner simply stated their opinion on what defines marriage. I haven't found anything hateful in their statements. I've seen more hate coming from the gay supporters. If I've missed something, please show me an article (I am a busy mom of 2 boys after all )

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

The CEO of Chick-fil-A doesn't think gays have the right to marry, and espouses this belief. What more is there to say? He doesn't want gays to have rights and has said so. It's a discrimaging opinion. I won't be eating there. I think it's really stupid for a company to express any political/religious opinion, and if they do and I find it abhorrent, as I do the mindset that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, I won't be eating there.

Also, what is it about the "gay lifestyle" that you "disagree" with? And what does that even mean?

[tonywalt]

The CEO of Chick-fil-A doesn't think gays have the right to marry, and espouses this belief. What more is there to say? He doesn't want gays to have rights and has said so. It's a discrimaging opinion. I won't be eating there. I think it's really stupid for a company to express any political/religious opinion, and if they do and I find it abhorrent, as I do the mindset that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, I won't be eating there.

I'm not sure if gays are big market for Chick-fil -A.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

True, but I'm not gay and they're going to lose my business (not sure if they would've had it in the first place, but they assured my non-business with their statements), along with others I know, gay and straight. Still, they may gain some business, too, from like minded conservatives--that fat moron Mike Huckabee is even organizing a .Support Chick-fil-A Day" on August first (obviously a good use of his influence). It probably evens out in the end.

[Shea]

The CEO of Chick-fil-A doesn't think gays have the right to marry, and espouses this belief. What more is there to say? He doesn't want gays to have rights and has said so. It's a discrimaging opinion. I won't be eating there. I think it's really stupid for a company to express any political/religious opinion, and if they do and I find it abhorrent, as I do the mindset that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, I won't be eating there.

Also, what is it about the "gay lifestyle" that you "disagree" with? And what does that even mean?

Still doesn't mean he won't allow someone who is gay to eat at his restaurants. It's a christian company which takes the view that being gay is not in line with their christian beliefs. If you disagree, then you don't have to eat there. Just like I choose not to go to gay bars.

I know that someone is going to smack me for saying this, but I believe that "being gay" is a choice. People choose to give into urges everyday. That's why people have sex before and outside of marriage and will take the stance that they were only doing what they felt to be "natural". I disagree with it. They choose to give into sexual urges. This is why I hate being labled a bigot. No one chooses to be born with light or dark skin. Bigots will hate someone because of the color of their skin. Granted they will also hate someone because of their "sexual orientation". I will reiterate, I don't hate someone because of their "sexual orientation".

If you are friendly to me, I'll be friendly to you. Plain and simple.

I hope that answers your question. Both my boys are now awake, so I hope I make sense too.

that fat moron Mike Huckabee is even organizing a .Support Chick-fil-A Day" on August first

Isn't that a double standard?

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

So, you make a conscious decision not to be gay?

And what's a double standard?

[Shea]

So, you make a conscious decision not to be gay?

Yes. But personally, I don't have those urges.

And what's a double standard?

People support "Gay Day". What's wrong with supporting "Chick-fil-A Day"

Like I said, two-way street...

[Alexander III]

Yes. But personally, I don't have those urges.



People support "Gay Day". What's wrong with supporting "Chick-fil-A Day"

Like I said, two-way street...

Yea I know, damn double standards, every year there is a holocaust memorial day, but where is the Nazi Pride day? Society is a btch like that.

Also this is why I hate it when people say that being gay means that you are part of a culture. Loving musicals, wearing strange clothes, acting in an effete manner, and all those other stereotypes (which have some truth to them) that is all choice.


Being attracted to other guys, is not a choice, that is just genetics.


Also are you anti-gay because of religious reasons? Because it says so in the bible? Because there is also a passage in the Bible which mentions that if a man rapes a virgin he by law must marry her. Why is no one fighting for a law to force rapists to marry their victims? So double standards...

(Yes I do watch the daily show)

[Shea]

Yea I know, damn double standards, every year there is a holocaust memorial day, but where is the Nazi Pride day? Society is a btch like that.

Uh, no. Chick-Fil-A hasn't murdered millions of people. Your comparison dosen't work.

Loving musicals, wearing strange clothes, acting in an effete manner, and all those other stereotypes (which have some truth to them) that is all choice.

I agree and people are entitle to their opinions

Being attracted to other guys, is not a choice, that is just genetics.

I need unbiased proof for that one.

Also are you anti-gay because of religious reasons? Because it says so in the bible? Because there is also a passage in the Bible which mentions that if a man rapes a virgin he by law must marry her. Why is no one fighting for a law to force rapists to marry their victims? So double standards...

(Yes I do watch the daily show)

First of all I'm not "anti-gay", I think I've made my stance on this quite plain.

Secondly, your biblical comparison doesn't work either. Its from the "Old Law" (Deuteronomy 22:28-29), which was "nailed to the cross" when Christ died (Galatians 3:15-25) Incidentally, this is why it bugs me when people push the 10 commandments.

Oh, and I meant to add (sorry, having a massive headache right now), that, yes, it does say so in the Bible. It also talks against drunkeness, rage, discord, hatred, and envy in the same context. (I really don't like things taken out of context) I have trouble with rage and envy sometimes. It's a struggle, and I fail sometimes. But I'm always trying to fix it in my own character.

This is also why it REALLY bugs me when other "Christians" are very hypocritical on this topic. They start attacking people who say they are gay, and forget that they are guilty of the very sins listed in the same verse of the Bible.

[Alexander III]

Uh, no. Chick-Fil-A hasn't murdered millions of people. Your comparison dosen't work.

Because being gay in the last 1000 years has not got anyone killed right ?

So are you trying to use the logic that, if millions are killed because of an ideology it is wrong to support, but if it is only thousands which were killed because of an ideology, that is quite fine?

I agree and people are entitle to their opinions

Entitled to their opinions yes, entitled to act upon those opinions no.

Case in point:

Bin Laden say's "America is evil" - socially and morally acceptable.

Bin Lade bombs the twin towers killing civilians - socially and morally unacceptable


Persona A saying: I do not approve of homosexuality - socially and morally acceptable

Person A legally preventing homosexual couples to get married (which is a basic human right so long as marriage comes with tax privileges, tutelage of one spouse if the other is to die, and medical regulations allowing visits, not to mention the adoption of children and raising them as non-bastards)- socially and morally unacceptable

I need unbiased proof for that one.

Try having sex with a member of the same sex, see how much of a choice it is in determining whom you are attracted to.

First of all I'm not "anti-gay", I think I've made my stance on this quite plain.

Denying human beings their basic rights, because of the manner in which they were born? Im' not racist or anything, I just think mixed racial marriages should be illegal. That does not make me racist, just not pro-black.

Secondly, your biblical comparison doesn't work either. Its from the "Old Law" (Deuteronomy 22:28-29), which was "nailed to the cross" when Christ died (Galatians 3:15-25) Incidentally, this is why it bugs me when people push the 10 commandments.

So Jews don't count? By not forcing rapists to marry their victims you are infringing upon the freedom of an entire religion.

That is not my logic by the by, that is just standard christian logic when it comes to gay marriage.



I detest thing kind of religious hypocrisy because I come from the land where a prime-minister hosts orgies and solicits sex from underage girls, and that is seen as bad behavior and a regrettable vice. But if he were to mention the topic of gay-marridge, that would make him an ally of satan.

[Shea]

Alex, I'm obviously not going to convince you to agree with me, and I really don't care. You ARE entitled to your beliefs and opinions. I'm okay with that.

But this is what bothers me:

I detest thing kind of religious hypocrisy because I come from the land where a prime-minister hosts orgies and solicits sex from underage girls, and that is seen as bad behavior and a regrettable vice. But if he were to mention the topic of gay-marridge, that would make him an ally of satan.

I REALLY do not like being held to the same standard because of my personal opinions and beliefs. And I LOATHE being called a bigot because of people that. I'm not your prime-minister. This is not a black and white issue. I really hurts ME when people behave like that because people jump all over me before I get a chance to explain myself.

[tonywalt]

Many people for religious reasons will often make the following statement: "I don't hate gays but we (strongly) dislike their lifestyle".

That is tantamount to saying you don't hate black people, but dislike their blackness". It's sort of absurd.

[Shea]

Many people for religious reasons will often make the following statement: "I don't hate gays but we (strongly) dislike their lifestyle".

That is tantamount to saying you don't hate black people, but dislike their blackness". It's sort of absurd.

I'm not even going to bother with this one. I'll just be repeating myself.

I think my earlier Diana Moon Glampers reference was too subtle. Kurt Vonnegut wrote an excellent example of why people don't think, feel, act, etc., in exactly the same way.

[miyako73]

"Hate the sin not the sinner", to me, does not make sense. Indeed, it is an excuse to stay judgmental without judging. How can one not hate the rapist but his act of raping? Semantics abounds in fundamentalist religiosity.