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    Truth be told, I'm more interested in... I'm not sure how to put it. Art forms I haven't seen before.

    This women is my favorite artist. It's hard to even call it performance art, but what it does to people is captivating.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASS7xMOM1EE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolte View Post
    Truth be told, I'm more interested in... I'm not sure how to put it. Art forms I haven't seen before.

    This women is my favorite artist. It's hard to even call it performance art, but what it does to people is captivating.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASS7xMOM1EE
    Captivating. No. It is a new age version of “ being present in the moment” like Ophra's E. Tolle.

    Can you imagine how captivating was a glamour model at London Fashion Week? Programming people to new behavior in a full light!


    Hat's on! But everything else is off... Pregnant glamour model walks the runway naked at London Fashion Week

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...hion-Week.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolte View Post
    Truth be told, I'm more interested in... I'm not sure how to put it. Art forms I haven't seen before.

    This women is my favorite artist. It's hard to even call it performance art, but what it does to people is captivating.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASS7xMOM1EE
    I don't get it.

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    I really feel I ought to mention this as; Ftil, you keep mentioning masons as if they were some occult sect with secret knowledge. My father is one, it is essentially a club of affluent and powerful and intelligent men of all walks of life - art, business , politics, lawyers, doctors et.c. It serves as an except social networking space, that is all, a bunch of influential men who meet each other and thus are able to help each other and scratch each others backs.

    There is some religious element to it, but it is merely that one must believe in God to enter, but the God of the masons was the free-thinkers God, the god devoid of all the superficial inanities in all the abrahamic religions used to pander to the masses. At first it was a club were free-thinkers could discuss their religious ideas and politics without fear of persecution. Nowadays it is essentially a country club.


    The internet is full of those consiprasists who say the Masons, are a secret religious sect which plan to conquer the world or have special knowledge of magic and know the powers of god. But truly let us think about this. This was born as a society were intelligent and educated and influential men could be free to discuss with each other their political and religious beliefs, sans persecutions. Is it such a surprise that the uneducated and superstitious men of the time believed that masonry was some sort of supernatural, secret knowing, society for devil worship?

    As a person who knows my after and has met several of his friends who are part of it as well, it is hilarious to see such speculations on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander III View Post
    I really feel I ought to mention this as; Ftil, you keep mentioning masons as if they were some occult sect with secret knowledge. My father is one, it is essentially a club of affluent and powerful and intelligent men of all walks of life - art, business , politics, lawyers, doctors et.c. It serves as an except social networking space, that is all, a bunch of influential men who meet each other and thus are able to help each other and scratch each others backs.

    There is some religious element to it, but it is merely that one must believe in God to enter, but the God of the masons was the free-thinkers God, the god devoid of all the superficial inanities in all the abrahamic religions used to pander to the masses. At first it was a club were free-thinkers could discuss their religious ideas and politics without fear of persecution. Nowadays it is essentially a country club.


    The internet is full of those consiprasists who say the Masons, are a secret religious sect which plan to conquer the world or have special knowledge of magic and know the powers of god. But truly let us think about this. This was born as a society were intelligent and educated and influential men could be free to discuss with each other their political and religious beliefs, sans persecutions. Is it such a surprise that the uneducated and superstitious men of the time believed that masonry was some sort of supernatural, secret knowing, society for devil worship?

    As a person who knows my after and has met several of his friends who are part of it as well, it is hilarious to see such speculations on the internet.


    Internet is full of conspiracies but who is going to believe conspiracy theories. But I will tell you something. My grandfather, a man of brilliant mind, was very interested in masonry. He researched this subject very thoroughly. There was not Internet at that time but many books were written about masonry and masons had bad reputations for centuries. Do your research and you will be surprised how many books you will find. Anyway, I wanted to research that subject to make up my mind about masonry. I have started with "blue blood" masons and I found scandals and corruption. But I have also found Masonic the Royal Order of Jester and their sex scandals.

    Royal Order of Jesters from Masonic museum.

    http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masoni...ters_plate.htm

    A few examples.

    Several members of the organization in Western New York were charged with providing prostitutes for Jesters functions and transporting them across state lines. Retired State Supreme Court Justice Ronald Tills was sentenced to 18 months imprisonment in August 2009. Previously sentenced was former police captain John Trowbridge (two years probation) and Till's law clerk Michael Stebick (4 months home confinement).[5] The charges were limited to these members of the Buffalo chapter, and a Jesters spokesman stated that this conduct was confined to that chapter.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Order_of_Jesters
    This one was in Canada.

    From CBCnews.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/01...ner012901.html

    Police launch Shriners investigation

    There are several investigations underway concerning a raunchy Shriners fundraising event last week, and now the Winnipeg police are involved as well.
    Last Thursday night, the Motor Patrol of the Khartum Shriners held a 'gentlemen's dinner' fundraiser at the Garden City Inn. Roughly 400 men paid $75 each for the event, which included exotic dancers.
    Witnesses at the event say the dinner turned lewd when a naked woman began performing lap dances. Lap dancing was declared illegal by the Supreme Court three years ago. They also say one woman was lying nude on a table and a man inserted a beer bottle in her. Later, men were throwing money on the table and performing oral sex on the same woman. There are several investigations underway concerning a raunchy Shriners fundraising event last week, and now the Winnipeg police are involved as well.Last Thursday night, the Motor Patrol of the Khartum Shriners held a 'gentlemen's dinner' fundraiser at the Garden City Inn. Roughly 400 men paid $75 each for the event, which included exotic dancers.Witnesses at the event say the dinner turned lewd when a naked woman began performing lap dances. Lap dancing was declared illegal by the Supreme Court three years ago. They also say one woman was lying nude on a table and a man inserted a beer bottle in her. Later, men were throwing money on the table and performing oral sex on the same woman.There are four separate investigations into what happened at the dinner eventThere are four separate investigations into what happened at the dinner event The organizer of the event said money raised would go to help Shriners charities. But the Shriners executive says it didn't sanction the event, even though the liquor permit for the event used the Shriners name. So far, the Liquor Control Commission, the Garden City Inn and the Shriners have launched investigations into what happened that night. Now the Winnipeg police have entered the picture. "With what we've heard, and certainly what's been reported in the media, we have to look into it," says Inspector Gary Walker of the Winnipeg police. "There's significant interest in the community, and I think people want police to have a look at it." Manitoba's Minister of Justice, Gord Mackintosh, says the public needs to come forward to help police. "The allegations are disappointing and disturbing to me, and I urge anyone who believes they witnessed a criminal offence, to report that to police as good citizens."A spokesman from the Garden City Inn said today that as a result of the dinner, it will no longer allow strippers in its banquet room. No one from the Winnipeg Shriners would agree to an on-camera interview Monday.But the man in charge of all the Shriners in North America says he'll ask for an investigation.
    "It's always bothered me that in a large organization where we have half a million members, the actions of a few individuals can tarnish the image of the majority who work so hard to do so much good," says Robert Turnipseed, the Imperial Potentate of the International Shriners, speaking to CBC News from Idaho.The local chapter of the Shriners says it will not be accepting any of the money raised through the dinner.
    There are more sex scandal and corruptions exposed but I don't want to waste my time for those bastards. Yes, they are well educated, judges, layers, or scientists.

    Again, do your research before telling people what they should think about masonry. I am not saying that every mason is like that. In fact, a mason in Texas a member of The Royal Order of Jesters said that many masons in his lodge were not aware was was going on in The Royal Order of Jesters. They love secrecy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis View Post
    I don't get it.
    Me neither. I wonder if it's a case of the emperor's new clothes, or am I missing something? Yes I am, the clothes are there.

    Edit: Just imagine if one of them started sniggering. I hope they had deep cushions.

    I really like the View of Toledo though. Never seen it before.
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    The French writer and art critic, André Malraux made a good number of observations concerning art that have remained with me for years:

    There are no Sumerian, Egyptian, or Medieval hacks, but (our time is overrun with them).

    Masterpieces were never the "best products of their period," and they seem to be connected only with each other, and to rejoin each other across time- sometimes very long periods. The best part of Rodin's work knows nothing of the three centuries preceding it but continues Donatello.

    We know... that the pursuit of the divine is no assurance of genius, but genius cannot exist without it.

    The artist can reach art only on the stairs of his highest values which he recognizes within his heart...

    The matter of fact gods cannot replace those of profundity... money cannot replace god or spiritual longing as a source of passionate inspiration for the artist.

    All great works of art are "original" but not in the modern sense of the word. For they are unique, and not unusual. Today "original" tends to mean "surprising"... the search for novelty... and the unusual.


    For centuries religion... the Catholic Church and other religious/spiritual institutions... were the greatest patrons of the arts. There were, as Malraux suggested, few Medieval... and one might add few Renaissance "hacks" for the simple reason that the artists were largely employed in the honest expression of their highest beliefs and heart-felt faith.

    One first discovers a wealth of hack-work in the field of painting during the Baroque period... especially in Holland. Where the French, Spanish, and Italian artists still labored for the aristocrats and the church... whether their art conveyed their unsullied faith in the infallibility of these institutions... or whether, like Bosch and Breughel (among others) they offered satirical critical commentary upon the same. The Dutch, however, turned painting into one more mass-produced commodity. They instituted the middle-man... the art dealer... and they promoted specializations in order to reach every possible market: "You want a landscape with cows?" We got a guy who paints just that." "You want a still-life painting with lobster and tropical fruit to convey your wealth?" We got that too." Rembrandt struggled... and in his later years slipped into obscurity and poverty for the simple reason that he could not paint for such a market. Even when he made an attempt... such as in these paintings of a young girl at the doorway... a subject any other "Little Dutch Master" would have rendered in a cloyingly cute manner... certain to attract the buyer...





    Rembrandt was unable to avoid attempting something a bit more profound... a sense of the personality or character of the sitter... and a certain brooding meditation upon the temporal nature of youth and beauty.

    All these thoughts came to bear as I stumbled upon the sculptor, Ana Maria Pacheco. I used to stumble upon new artists quite frequently when I played a game over at the art site I frequent, at trying to guess the mystery artist from a posted image. Unfortunately, programs such as TinEye...:

    http://www.tineye.com/

    eliminated the challenge. Nevertheless, during a recent image search I stumbled upon Ana Maria Pacheco's work.

    Ana Maria Pacheco is a sculptor, painter, print-maker who was born in Brazil and works and resides in the UK. Her work is partly inspired by the troubled period of Brazil's history, culminating in the takeover by the military junta in 1964, to which she was an eyewitness. Pacheco is best known for her multi-figure groups of polychrome (painted) sculptures carved from wood. These often deal with social/political issues as well as questions of spirituality and mortality. The works themselves are at once darkly sinister, touching, and comic.

    I brought up Malraux's comments and the notion of the church as patron of the arts for the simple reason that Pacheco's strongest work is undoubtedly a multi-figural installation created for Salisbury Cathedral, entitled The Longest Journey... which undoubtedly alludes to the journey from life to death... and whatever (if anything) awaits beyond.

























    Pacheco's choice of medium: polychromed wood, alludes to the Spanish/Latin-American tradition of polchromed retables or altarpieces:



    -Retable of the Cathedral of Toledo, Spain




    -Retable of Turibius of Mongrovejo



    -Retable of the Cathedral of Iglesia de Santa Ana in Maca

    The simplistic forms of her carvings suggest the wood sculpture of the German Expressionists, such as E.L. Kirchner:



    They also offer a nod in the direction of the simple and honest work of folk artists... in a manner not unlike the work of Elie Nadelman:



    Perhaps most importantly, Pacheco's work employs a clarity of form and simplicity of gesture commonly found in the work of medieval sculptors:





    This simplicity was demanded by the Church that looked to the visual arts as a means of conveying the essential narratives of the faith to a largely illiterate audience.

    Malraux speaks of true "originality" as having little to do with novelty and striving for the latest astonishing effects. In contrast to many sworn-Modernists, Malraux recognized that contrary to the usual accusations of conservatism and reactionary tendencies, an artist may actually build upon the past... and even ignore the present and even generations that have preceded... and still achieve work of real merit... even genius. Pacheco avoids novelty and ornate or convoluted intellectual and/or visual complexities. Rather, she employs a "traditional" visual language capable of reaching an audience unfamiliar with the mental Onanism of Post-Modernist art and theory.

    Her installation, The Longest Journey, is quite touching in its representation of the waiting figures... men, women, and children. The boat is some ways suggests the crossing over to an unknown shore... whether this be the crossing of the River Styx undertaken by Dante in the Comedia, or that in Max Beckmann's iconic Modernist masterpiece, Departure, to which the sculpture almost surely pays homage...



    ...or any number of folk tales and songs that allude to going down to the river and waiting to cross over to the other side.

    Pacheco's work is worth exploring. Beyond The Longest Journey she has created memorable images of the often sinister powers that be and their abuse of those who they lord over:





    Perhaps intriguing to the literary lovers are Pacheco's allusions to various literary/poetic narratives... such as Aeneas fleeing the destroyed city of Troy and carrying his elderly father, Anchises... an image implied by Pacheco's Shadows of the Wanderer:



    And then there is the Dark Night of the Soul, an image of suffering, brutality, and torture that is both a response to The Martyrdom of Saint Sebastian by the Pollaiuolo brothers, and to the great poem by the visionary Spanish poet, San Juan della Cruz:



    You can explore more of Pacheco's work at her website:

    http://www.prattcontemporaryart.co.u...ria-pacheco-2/
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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    And then there is the Dark Night of the Soul, an image of suffering, brutality, and torture that is both a response to The Martyrdom of Saint Sebastian by the Pollaiuolo brothers, and to the great poem by the visionary Spanish poet, San Juan della Cruz
    I got to see this when it was installed at a gallery in Massachusetts a few years ago. Very affecting work. Your picture doesn't convey the imposing size of the sculptures: huge, heavy presences which make the scene seem all the more foreboding.

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    Ha! so that's what it looks like.
    I had just overheard this today on the TV news at the airport waiting to board, but I didn't have a chance to actually see it.
    The "restoration" is quite unusual a blend of St. Ignatius and a Teletubby.

    Funny videos too.
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    I'm looking for a painting and I do not have the title or artist, and Google is not being helpful - so I'm hoping one of you might know the work.

    I'm going to say it's Renaissance, but it may be Classical.

    Three sections (panels) depicting Moses in three stages of life. The first one is him as an infant, the third is him leading the Jews out of Egypt - that's about all the details I have.

    Thanks in advance!
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    "Three" and "panels" sounds like a Triptych? You might narrow your search under that category. Do you recall if the panels were connected or could it be you recalled three separate paintings in a series?

    One example is the triptych of Moses and the burning bush:
    http://www.artfinder.com/work/the-tr...-1/in/tag.oil/

    If you are recalling images then perhaps the Moses series at the Sistine Chapel, by Perugio, Boticelli, Roselli and Signorelli but if this is something you saw in the flesh, then you wouldn't have forgotten the Sistine Chapel!

    Other painters you might consider, that used Moses as a subject, include: Gentileschi, Veronese, Collantes, Poussin, Eckersberg, Romanelli, Subleyras. (from the old family bible illustrated with paintings)

    Maybe St. Lukes or someone else will peg this.
    I'll pass on anything else that comes to mind.

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    Hey, St. Luke's Guild, I can't find the thread for postin' your own art, please... where is it?

    Anywho, here's a video with a most special appearance by Duchamp.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwc65bf99_o

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    Aha, I found it!

    It is a painting by 16th c. Flemish painter Peter Classens the Elder. "Moses Breaking Pharaoh's Crown"
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    A bit different from your recollection, but good to see you found it none the less.

    Now that my thoughts are on Moses, I'm recalling the sculpture of Moses with horns by Michelangelo at San Pietro in Vincoli Rome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_(Michelangelo)





    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_(Michelangelo)

    One of the fresocos at San Pietro in Vincoli :


    "Mongo only pawn in game of life" - Mongo

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