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  • Build (slim/petite/burly/zaftig/etc.)

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  • Breasts

    1 3.23%
  • Butt

    1 3.23%
  • Height

    8 25.81%
  • Body as a whole

    10 32.26%
  • Eyes

    14 45.16%
  • Lips

    1 3.23%
  • Face as a whole

    10 32.26%
  • Hair

    8 25.81%
  • Voice

    10 32.26%
  • Complexion (light/dark skin tone)

    3 9.68%
  • Hygiene

    6 19.35%
  • Grooming

    4 12.90%
  • Graceful movement

    3 9.68%
  • Clothing

    4 12.90%
  • Scent

    8 25.81%
  • Confidence

    11 35.48%
  • Arrogance/Conceit

    2 6.45%
  • Aura of untouchability

    1 3.23%
  • Intelligence

    18 58.06%
  • Kindness

    16 51.61%
  • Humor

    20 64.52%
  • Quiet

    4 12.90%
  • Innocence

    2 6.45%
  • Nerdiness

    5 16.13%
  • Easygoing

    6 19.35%
  • Crazy

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  • Cutesy

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  • Similar interests

    11 35.48%
  • Chemistry

    8 25.81%
  • Tolerance of others' quirks

    8 25.81%
  • Enjoys alcohol

    4 12.90%
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    Sorry Babyguile. I fully believe that you may not not know what alpha male means in this day and age. But I can give strict assurances, along with every guy seriously and honestly responding in this point, the very vast majority of women inherently know what it means.

    Men(and women) have to live and breathe the selection process, and we all know inside how it works. A million years of hard wired evolutionary traits that exist in the very vast majority of humans does not flip in 30 years.

    Even feminists like Jane Fonda marry very strong alpha males. Roger Vadim, Tom Hayden(very alpha, despite his political views), and a quintessential alpha - Ted Turner.

    Now try this: Try to get Jane Fonda to admit that she is attracted to Alpha Males, powerful men, Tough and Aggressive men. She will Never Ever say that, rather she would state something along what your saying. I'm sure her memoirs (she has written quite a bit) would/might say something along those lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonywalt View Post
    Even feminists like Jane Fonda marry very strong alpha males. Roger Vadim, Tom Hayden(very alpha, despite his political views), and a quintessential alpha - Ted Turner.

    Now try this: Try to get Jane Fonda to admit that she is attracted to Alpha Males, powerful men, Tough and Aggressive men. She will Never Ever say that, rather she would state something along what your saying. I'm sure her memoirs (she has written quite a bit) would/might say something along those lines.
    Actually she did admit to marrying strong men (and divorced them as well). Check out an interview between Jane Fonda and Kathy Griffen in which they discuss.

    Why is this such a black and white issue for men? I like strong men. I like handsome men. However that isn't the be all and end all to the relationship. Compatiablity and likeability trumps all in my world.

    Yeah, I might be attracted to the prettiest man in the bar, however if we can't talk about Star Wars or we can't make each other laugh then we aren't going to get very far.
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    There is nothing Alpha about "though" aggressive men. Have you ever come across any? They are wusses. I've ticked off a few of those, by not obeying their command... It's hard not to laugh at them, and they really aren't as tough as they pretend to be. Not to mention how stupid they are, it's like taking on a half dead inflatable flailing arm man.

    They also seem to be the kind of people who slap their ladies around. Oh yea, totally hot...
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    You are 100 % spot on.

    What you described are clearly insecure Beta males who use agressive displays in order to be seen as Alpha. A real Alpha is by defintion in the social animals world - the individuals in the community with the highest rank. Where only certain males and females fulfill this role. Guys who back down or act like wusses or act like half dead inflatible men would not attract women of any quality nor any quantity of women - therefore are not Alpha.

    That's just common sense.

    But it is good that you are able to spot insecure people and you describe them to a T- it's a good ability.

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    can anyone please explain what this Alpha is all about?
    I truly find the whole word irritating when combined with the word male. I am sure the Greeks inventor of the alpha word won't be happy to have it associated with a gender.
    In fact this whole alphamism reminds of the men are from mars and women from venus.
    Sorry!! when I first saw that I nearly cried of laughter it was that ridiculous.
    I am a firm believer that both men and women have a common ground and a different side but all the same are equal in abilities and thinking.
    it may never try
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    [QUOTE=cacian;1155379]can anyone please explain what this Alpha is all about?

    The individuals in the community with the highest rank. Where only certain males and females fulfill this role

    I truly find the whole word irritating when combined with the word male. I am sure the Greeks inventor of the alpha word won't be happy to have it associated with a gender.
    I did not research into the Greek origin, but I find it very interesting - thanks for pointing it out. It meant the first letter in the alphabet - so the word evolved from first to mean the top. I suppose if you do not like the word or the natural evolution over time and languages - I dunno what to say. I don't like alot of words, but to wipe them out of the dictionary or usage is not the sort of censorship I would support. Would you?

    In fact this whole alphamism reminds of the men are from mars and women from venus.
    Fair enough- sounds like a reasonable reference.

    Sorry!! when I first saw that I nearly cried of laughter it was that ridiculous.
    Ok.

    I am a firm believer that both men and women have a common ground and a different side but all the same are equal in abilities and thinking.[/QUOTE
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    We do have common ground, alot of common ground What does men and women being equal in abilities and thinking mean? We as individuals are not equal in abilites and thinking.

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    I'm beginning to think this whole 'alpha' male thing is a myth made up by other men. I've never ever heard a woman use the term in describing a male for as long as I have lived on this earth. It's just a term men have created in order to describe certain men they admire, and then make idols out of them e.g. such as stars from stage and screen, which are necessarily mythical and fantasized. John Wayne, Clint Eastwood. Am I getting close? How about Bruce Lee? This idea of a man with indestructable resolution and an uncompromising fortitude; who will never cry or lose his cool over a woman, and knows how to act in any and all situations. Smells fishy to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    I'm beginning to think this whole 'alpha' male thing is a myth made up by other men. I've never ever heard a woman use the term in describing a male for as long as I have lived on this earth. It's just a term men have created in order to describe certain men they admire, and then make idols out of them e.g. such as stars from stage and screen, which are necessarily mythical and fantasized. John Wayne, Clint Eastwood. Am I getting close? How about Bruce Lee? This idea of a man with indestructable resolution and an uncompromising fortitude; who will never cry or lose his cool over a woman, and knows how to act in any and all situations. Smells fishy to me.
    You might not be familiar with the concept, but yet I bet you could spot one in a second.

    http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-alpha-male.htm

    In human societies alpha male can mean very different things. Some use the term to mean the guy who seems most at ease with women and can essentially marry or date any woman of his choice. In this sense the alpha male is often good-looking, has a great build, and may have a relatively high socioeconomic status...

    In adult social settings, alpha males again may be judged not so much by aggression, but by their ability to get the most attractive women as mates. This is the primary reason for alpha behavior in other animals...

    In work settings, the alpha male may be a natural leader, exuding confidence. But he also may be contentious, demanding and difficult to work with. This is thought to be in part due to the alpha male attempting to retain his stature, however unconsciously, as alpha. Being the top salesperson, the quickest worker, the most aggressive boss may contribute to remaining at the top, and the alpha male has a tendency to respond aggressively to any attempts by others to outshine him.

    The alpha male in adult society is likely to be confident, attractive, and wealthy. Questions remain as to whether the alpha male can retain mates, since relationships often require ability to compromise, to discuss feelings and to be sensitive. Some alpha males have these characteristics typically thought of as beta, but many of them lack such traits. You can certainly point to prominent alpha males in our society who seem to have poor track records with women, either involving themselves in a succession of failed relationships or marrying one woman after another, with no marriage lasting for very long.

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    Aren't intellectuals, like Orwell and Hitchens, the ultimate alphas? Tell me if I am mistaken, but unless you are really into athletics or womanizing, it seems the ultimate expressions of one's alpha male dominance are in the realm of the mind, in debate.

    The brain is the ultimate weapon, the most powerful feature of modern man. Women see a guy with a good head on his shoulders and this turns them on, on a surface and on an instinctual level.

    To me its all about instincts. Charm is mostly cerebral. The best way to impress a woman is to charm her. Dancing is good too but I find there are a lot of women who are too self-conscious to dance and will only do so if they are drunk.

    Which brings me to something I should express my annoyance at. The oversexualization of dance. Dance is not just a sex thing, its a fun thing. I go dance in a bar and I have these bleach-blonde tanning-bed-addicted Oompa Lumpas getting all over me when I really just want to dance. What is with that? Such things are supposed to be done in a bedroom or the backseat of a car, not on a dance floor in front of complete strangers.

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    [QUOTE=tonywalt;1155386]
    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    can anyone please explain what this Alpha is all about?

    The individuals in the community with the highest rank. Where only certain males and females fulfill this role



    I did not research into the Greek origin, but I find it very interesting - thanks for pointing it out. It meant the first letter in the alphabet - so the word evolved from first to mean the top. I suppose if you do not like the word or the natural evolution over time and languages - I dunno what to say. I don't like alot of words, but to wipe them out of the dictionary or usage is not the sort of censorship I would support. Would you?



    Fair enough- sounds like a reasonable reference.

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    We do have common ground, alot of common ground What does men and women being equal in abilities and thinking mean? We as individuals are not equal in abilites and thinking.
    Women and men behave and think in the exact same way. It might not be the same words we use but we sure have the same needs the same feelings and we both are attracted to each other one way or another and so we must have lots in common.
    ''birds of the same feather flock together'' and so yes we very similar and like the company of each other so we must have many similarities and differences too.
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
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    Thanks Neely for that very good description of the meaning.

    Darcy, definitely. It is largely determined by intelligence, it's not determined by the physicality of the guy.

    I think what the girls on the thread are saying, and I fully agree, is that they do not like the concept or idea. Yea, it's an unattractive and unfair reality - but it's a reality.

    I do not like War, but humans will give into base instinct and behauvior and have wars and conflicts - it's just the way it is or not. It's fishy. I'm not sure I buy it - and I definitely don't want it.


    This idea of a man with indestructable resolution and an uncompromising fortitude; who will never cry or lose his cool over a woman, and knows how to act in any and all situations.
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    I fully agree. An alpha would have to compromise at times to remain Alpha. And they have to be able to emote - otherwise women will not be attracted to them.

    Societal Markers of an alpha male are the culturally derirable consequences of high testosterone males. Women have been socially conditioned to find these qualities important, since they signify a man’s ability to provide and support during the vulnerable stage of pregnacy and raising a dependent young. It consists in broad description of Power, relative wealth-but not a rule, as potential is just as powerful, Status

    The Catch-22, however, is that the men who have been able to acquire the power, wealth, and status due to the interplay of their physiology and socioeconomic factors (education, good upbringing) are also the ones who seem to be more likely to display less commitement to use these resources for a long term partnership and parental investment.

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    [QUOTE=cacian;1155400]
    Quote Originally Posted by tonywalt View Post

    Women and men behave and think in the exact same way.
    I'm afraid that they don't. Men are attuned to the quick conquest whereas women are looking for the long term. This is the basis for the war between the sexes.
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    [QUOTE=cacian;1155400]
    Quote Originally Posted by tonywalt View Post

    Women and men behave and think in the exact same way. It might not be the same words we use but we sure have the same needs the same feelings and we both are attracted to each other one way or another and so we must have lots in common.
    ''birds of the same feather flock together'' and so yes we very similar and like the company of each other so we must have many similarities and differences too.
    Men and women have an awful lot of similarities, but we do not act in the "same exact way". This sort of idealism that spawned in certian social movements in the 60's and 70's is very very well meaning and I absolutely agree motivation behind the movement(s) - equal opportunities. No exceptions. Always.

    The rhetoric gets too dreamily idealistic and filled with bubblegum soundbites. I base my beliefs on reality and try to mix in my kinder gentler dispostion the best I can.

    If you want to know what an Alpha male is like, I can send you a couple - they are in the Corner Offices of the building I am in. And they are decidedly and perfectly charming with women(and men for that matter) and not anything like John Wayne or Clint Eastwood. But to underestimate their Ambitions would be incorrect.
    Last edited by tonywalt; 07-17-2012 at 06:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babyguile View Post
    I'm beginning to think this whole 'alpha' male thing is a myth made up by other men. I've never ever heard a woman use the term in describing a male for as long as I have lived on this earth. It's just a term men have created in order to describe certain men they admire, and then make idols out of them e.g. such as stars from stage and screen, which are necessarily mythical and fantasized. John Wayne, Clint Eastwood. Am I getting close? How about Bruce Lee? This idea of a man with indestructable resolution and an uncompromising fortitude; who will never cry or lose his cool over a woman, and knows how to act in any and all situations. Smells fishy to me.
    So, because something is not explicitly named in everyday conversation, that thing doesn't exist?

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    Christopher Hitchens would qualify as Alpha. I was thinking of guys who qualify as Alpha, but do not conform to the jock or physically tough guy.

    Colin Firth qualifies, again brainy, cultured, and not conforming to John Wayne type. Alpha, and that is with or even without fame.

    Marlon Brando, although externally athletic, was intellectual. He is a stretch and not a great choice, but could easily fit in on this forum.

    Russell Brand. Controversial, and perhaps disliked by a big block of both men and women. Definitely not in the dumb jock camp but complex etc. qualifies as Alpha with or without fame.

    Che Guevara. Watch this video(first bit is silent with his plane landing, then audio kicks in), Che is talking politics, but if you watch how he 'carries himself', his eye contact, his presentation, Humour and Intelligence. Politics aside. It's probably the best example or a damn good one on charisma and what an Alpha looks and acts like in this type of situation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMkoLLeng6A Intellect of highest order. Bookish-voracious reader. Introspective. Alpha.

    I could go on and on and many may come back and point out which (or all) of the above guys they hate (or all) , and why, and etc.. - but that's not the point. I am merely trying to point out males who do not conform to the overtly masculine type. And I cover the full and very wide spectrum of personality and physical/personality types from Colin to Che.

    Conclusion - All of the above would be very comfortable on this forum - not a doubt in my mind. And they all are cover the top three intelligence, humour and nice eyes!
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