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    Quote Originally Posted by Calidore View Post
    Did you tell the professor that you were simply preventing his meaningless words from influencing your mind?
    "Final exams are part of the outmoded Enlightenment meta-narrative, and the philosophical biases inherent in this hegemonic othering exercise reduce it to a pornographic homage to heteronormative power structures."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calidore View Post
    Did you tell the professor that you were simply preventing his meaningless words from influencing your mind?
    Haha, no. But I made it clear I found most theory to be bull****.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Hermes View Post
    "Final exams are part of the outmoded Enlightenment meta-narrative, and the philosophical biases inherent in this hegemonic othering exercise reduce it to a pornographic homage to heteronormative power structures."
    I'm going to have to use that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kafka's Crow View Post
    If you think Derrida is difficult, try Deleuze and Guattari. Derrida is one theorist I can't get enough of. I have read many, many books by him yet there is so much more to be read. I, usually, don't read whole books by theorists, I rather pick and choose what I can make sense of (as in case of Foucalt). Alain Badiou is another theorist I don't find unreadable.
    Derrida also has the most simple theoretical approach, and mainly focused on good close readings of texts. It is his weird incomprehensible attempts that just gain the most notoriety.

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    Admittedly, the more you take these post-structuralists with a grain of salt, the more enjoyment you can derive from their work. The jargon, the irrelevant distinctions, the dramatic pronouncements, and the overreliance on analogy and metaphor are just never not entertaining. I can't imagine anyone at this late date asserting that we're supposed to take it really seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Hermes View Post
    Admittedly, the more you take these post-structuralists with a grain of salt, the more enjoyment you can derive from their work. The jargon, the irrelevant distinctions, the dramatic pronouncements, and the overreliance on analogy and metaphor are just never not entertaining. I can't imagine anyone at this late date asserting that we're supposed to take it really seriously.
    Loved your comment.
    Being taken literally, is like being sent to hell LITERALLY.

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    I'm just starting my undergraduate degree and I feel like I am unable to complete a degree in literature. Having said that, I find Derrida extremely useful in terms of post-colionialist aims. He releases you from the notion that meaning and connotation are authoritative descriptions of our current concepts, which I think is the corner stone in the theory behind Critical Whiteness.

    I don't know, maybe I'm talking **** but I find both Derrida and his influence on Critical Whiteness to be invaluable to minority issues with in literature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaiety View Post
    I find Derrida extremely useful in terms of post-colionialist aims.
    Everyone knows that minorities can't make progress in society if we don't destabilize texts.

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    If you want complexity, have a look at Lacan. What a pile of cr@p and people like Zizek built their reputation on Lacanian mumbo jumbo. Early Zizek is all about Lacan. I have a copy of Ecrits somewhere that I never opened after finishing the university. Still theory is invaluable in interpreting our complicated world. I wonder how much the translators are responsible for the obscure language. Gyatari Spivak's translation of Of Gramatologyis not very inaccessible but we can't say the same for most other theoretical writings.
    "The farther he goes the more good it does me. I don’t want philosophies, tracts, dogmas, creeds, ways out, truths, answers, nothing from the bargain basement. He is the most courageous, remorseless writer going and the more he grinds my nose in the sh1t the more I am grateful to him..."
    -- Harold Pinter on Samuel Beckett

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kafka's Crow View Post
    If you want complexity, have a look at Lacan. What a pile of cr@p and people like Zizek built their reputation on Lacanian mumbo jumbo. Early Zizek is all about Lacan. I have a copy of Ecrits somewhere that I never opened after finishing the university. Still theory is invaluable in interpreting our complicated world. I wonder how much the translators are responsible for the obscure language. Gyatari Spivak's translation of Of Gramatologyis not very inaccessible but we can't say the same for most other theoretical writings.
    It isn't as useful for interpreting our world as you pretend. The main points maybe, but the mumbo jumbo is a waste of time, and most of the good points can be summed up in a few sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Hermes View Post
    Everyone knows that minorities can't make progress in society if we don't destabilize texts.
    In the context of critical whiteness, yeah, that's completely right. Minorities can't make progress if we don't destabilise conventional "racial" language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaiety View Post
    Minorities can't make progress if we don't destabilise conventional "racial" language.
    Except all the progress they've actually made.

    But feel free to describe any of the progress that's been made by women and minorities in terms of voting, hiring and advancement, housing, education, lending, representation in government, and anti-discrimination which is attributable to close reading or deconstruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Hermes View Post
    Except all the progress they've actually made.

    But feel free to describe any of the progress that's been made by women and minorities in terms of voting, hiring and advancement, housing, education, lending, representation in government, and anti-discrimination which is attributable to close reading or deconstruction.
    Feel free to describe how minority issues are static.

    We're not facing out-right violence anymore, at least not in the country I currently live. What we face is a more subtle and allusive beast. As the issues change, so do the tools. By all means, continue to be as condescending as possible but don't expect me to reply.

    A group of people (like Toni Morrison) are currently theorising that "whiteness" has become the human default or social norm and propose that while that distinction exists, in all facets of society, then equality is a dream. It linguistically reinforces colonial power structures in which the normative other (I.E minorities) are seen as a separate class.

    I think in this context, deconstruction is very useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaiety View Post
    What we face is a more subtle and allusive beast.
    Is there such a thing as a Lacanian slip?

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    There is a problem with that, in that deconstruction often works at cross-purposes with the sort of identity politics that organize and motivate political activism which have improved the conditions of minority groups, at least their material conditions.

    When we get into these political academic discourses, which are participated in primarily by an educated middle class, rather than the kind of activism that produces tangible, and relevant, results for those effected by oppression, I don't really see the point.
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    I can see your point. I'm not personally from an educated middle-class background though and perhaps that's the distinction between our levels of optimism in such discourses. It's all very new and exciting from my vantage point.

    I feel as social mobility improves, we will see a new thinker from the Lumpenproletariat as more and more get accepted into higher education...or at least, that is my hope. Anyway, this is a bit off topic now.

    I still have no problem with Derrida. Everyone should read more Derrida.

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