By profession, I'm an anthropologist. I consider evolution to be factual, and it does not contradict my belief in God. As one nun said when I was seven years old, "Even if humans came from apes, apes from fish, fish from birds, birds from dust, dust from air, air from water, water from the sun, who created or what made the sun?" Literally, her statement did not make sense, but she succeeded in making me understand the existence of an origin or an originator.Originally Posted by paradoxical
"You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same."
--Jonathan Davis
It's taught as a theory, not as a fact. It was in my case.
I'm not arguing that it is fact. Many theories are taught in schools. Theories need a bit more weight than "God did it" to get into credible textbooks, though.
Mark, nor I, accused you of being intolerant. You said you kept your close-minded views to yourself. Mark pointed out that you weren't in this thread, as the OP itself is close-minded (foaming at the mouth by the mere discussion of atheism counts as close-mindedness, I'm afraid). It was a joke, and true. Get over it.
Last edited by Mutatis-Mutandis; 06-05-2012 at 12:37 AM.
I'm having fun with your literal understanding of things. So, did you really mean that "keeping to yourself" suggests or means one has to be silent, blind, and mute?
"You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same."
--Jonathan Davis
You really can't admit when you've made a small mistake, can you? Oh well. I guess I can expect you to keep track of my posts, sniping me everywhere I go, like you already have in the poetry forum. But remember this, miyako: I'm disabled, so I have complete control over you because you just feel so bad for me, remember? Just admit you're wrong and move on.
What mistake? Besides, this post is not really about atheism. Read and read.
"You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same."
--Jonathan Davis
Back petal, much?
It is about the imposition of one's belief or chastity or background on others to the point that the latter's thinking, if they are thinkers, and writings, if they are writers, are affected and, worse, curtailed.
Got it now? Do you want me to be banned again since I just put out my view on censorship explicitly?
Last edited by miyako73; 06-05-2012 at 12:21 AM.
"You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same."
--Jonathan Davis
Oh, stop it, claiming evolution is a fact makes as much sense as saying wolves and dogs share no relationship watsoever caused by human interference that domesticated the former. Humans see.
Actually, that was a typo. I meant to say that I'm not arguing it is fact. Though I'm not quite sure I get the dog analogy.
No and no.
Faith has nothing to do with religion. It can be the simple inner gesture every morning of believing that there is a point to get up or that something nice will happen to me. I usualy try to avoid atheist art because it depresses me. Beleving for me is a wonderful way to get through life - not a source of hatred or conflict with others. So Im sorry about your foaming experience. Its sounds a little like being in hell.
Well, I say you should go kiss your mother. If your mother is dead you should kiss someone else who needs kissing, because kissing is nice and inspires warm fuzzies. Whatever the hell you just said does nothing toward making me warm. Worthless, sorry. Contribute to a happiness. Peace.
Ipso facto, I am drunk.
Furthermore, I think that Christians ought to lie amongst the tulips in the bright sunshine, let those sweet rays wash over them and forget about eschewing so much that has aught to do with them. Loosen those spirits to the mysterious nothing in the wind. Feel yourself forgetting about how you hate sh*t, because seriously, you are making me tired. Xoxoxo. Love and plums and pandas. Every atheist is not boring, just as every Christian doesn't p*ss on the carpet.
Atheists are often as intolerant as religious folks are. Both have very different vocabulary and language to talk. One always seems an irritant to the other. Atheists probably do not have much from religions to learn and grow but atheism and atheistic thought definitely has the potential for one's faith to grow. I believe up until you truly doubt something, whatever you believe is not really yours.
Miyako, I think when you read atheistic thought you feel threatened to lose your faith that you identify deeply with. If it is true, your faith will be able to conquer atheistic thought. And you don't even need to conquer it. Just understand it and have a broader perspective on it. I believe ultimately truth matters and truth is a very subjective thing. You said, you are relativistic. But your relativism is stuck, it is not growing. And more than atheists you are baffled by yourself. The question for you is - why is your faith feeling unstable in an atheistic world and my answer to this question is because you are letting the atheistic world do that. Allow it to affect you. Believe in your faith and move into the other territory with confidence that your faith will triumph.
You can even come up with reasons why Derrida came up with deconstruction. Those who use deconstruction to deny God ultimately defeat the purpose of deconstruction itself. Paraphrasing Derrida - People will soon distort the word 'deconstruction' but it will take some time for deconstruction itself to get lost.
Whatever your religious beliefs are, I see a potential for growth of your faith and you personally here. Something is really bothering you here. Instead of expecting people to go deeper into this, I think you need to do this yourself. One last thing, there are various schools of theology that have developed in the postmodern era. Few of these are - Postliberal theology, Postmetaphysical theology, deconstructive theology, reconstructive theology, feminist theology and radical theology. I haven't gone into these things because I am not that interested in religion. These new approaches can be of great help. I have a feeling that in postmodern era, people are trying to see faith beyond language. That can be revolutionary for your own understanding.
I hope I helped.
Last edited by dark desire; 06-05-2012 at 05:55 AM.
Being taken literally, is like being sent to hell LITERALLY.
“It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.”
― Oscar Wilde
What a ridiculous thread, but surely it made me laugh (so not completely useless). Maybe some users on this forum need to get laid more often... I see a lot of unnecessary frustration. I'm with Varenne on this one, and I'm completely sober
And will also add that YesNo's early on post was balanced and so well put.
"All gods are homemade, and it is we who pull their strings, and so, give them the power to pull ours." -Aldous Huxley
"Sooner murder an infant in its cradle than nurse unacted desires." -William Blake
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