Self-Mutilation as form of body modification/meditation.

[Alexander III]

Self-mutilation in my view has been - to many - a coping mechanism with the stresses and in some cases horrors of their existence (e.g. traumatic experiences in the past or continuing in the present) It's a kind of self medication or therapy with a sharp object except it's not nearly as harmful or caustic as the kind of medications they prescribe in hospitals for psychological problems.

The manipulation of the brain and its neurotransmitters is far more pernicious than a scar on the arm. However helpful self harm may be to the individual it's still a dangerous practice and with today's society it causes one to become socially excluded which can only compound the issue at hand and proliferate episodes of self-harm. Therapy would be the only safe and effective alternative.

But the question on hand is: even tough it is not safe, would you forbid an individual from cutting himself for sexual gratification or stress relief. Would you impose upon him a law delacring what he may or may not do with his own body - thereby implicitly implying that his body does not legaly belong to him, but rather to society. As when his desire and that of societies conflict in regards to his body, he would not have the deciding voice, society being the main shareholder of his body.

[JuniperWoolf]

Yes that is me giving my opinion on the thread question, thank you. I'm not lecturing.

Oh please, not that it matters (your the one who brought the word "lecture" into the conversation, I could have gotten along just fine without it in this discussion) but that was totally lecturing. "There can be no justification for cutting/burning/scaring/chopping off a finger at all?" Part of me could practically hear Mr. Neely saying: "There can be no justification for not preparing yourself for this exam at all."

I'm not talking about people's sexual preferences,

Sorry for cutting this sentence up (no pun intended), but that is literally what we have been discussing for almost this entire thread. Pleasure-from-pain. Revolte specifically mentioned sexual pleasure in his next post thereby bringing his intention out into the open, which I would quote here if not for the fact that I JUST DID in my previous post.

I'm giving my opinion in response to Revolte's questions which is what usually happens when someone opens up a thread and asks for opinions.

And if you give an opinion that other people are crazy or f*cked up, you will usually find that other people share their opinion that you are being hypocritical and condescending, which is exactly what is currently happening. If you don't want to debate with me or anyone then it's as easy as staying out of Serious Discussions (ie. the subforum for debate).

I'm not trying to "convert" anyone into not slashing themselves with razors or anything like that, I'm merely giving my opinion that it is absurd thing to do.

I know. I never said you were trying to convert people, in fact I specifically said that you're more liable to rally people against your frame of mind. What I said was that your "my way is obviously the sensible way simply because I say so, despite the fact that I engage in a much more detrimental self-harming recreational activity" is incorrect and hypocritical, and likely to accomplish nothing but turning people against you (to which you responded with that lovely dripping-with-condescention, smiley-filled post which got my hackles up this morning and almost made me vomit on my work desk). Ergo my next post in which I assert that they're not any crazier than you are, you just THINK they are because they're doing something that you don't do. That is the very definition of narrow-minded. YOU are narrow-minded, and it's silly to call people crazy or f*cked up just because they're not exactly like Neely.

This is officiallly going nowhere, we've resorted to literally describing the thread as it's occured up until this point. That's always a clear sign that it's over.

[Delta40]

Honestly, this is supposed to be a serious discussion forum but as per usual, it's outnumbered by those members who use the forum to go a few rounds with other members. The topic is just an excuse for a slagging match, personal point scoring and childish nitpicking. It's full of sarcastic comments to each other, disrespectful and although I did post a few times because this subject is very close to home for me, what's the damn point of me laying it out there when so few are really engaging in the discussion? I can barely see from all the **** flying back and forth.

[Varenne Rodin]

Does participating in a fight club count as self injurious behavior?

[JuniperWoolf]

Honestly, this is supposed to be a serious discussion forum but as per usual, it's outnumbered by those members who use the forum to go a few rounds with other members. The topic is just an excuse for a slagging match, personal point scoring and childish nitpicking. It's full of sarcastic comments to each other, disrespectful and although I did post a few times because this subject is very close to home for me, what's the damn point of me laying it out there when so few are really engaging in the discussion? I can barely see from all the **** flying back and forth.

You want to discuss cutting as a coping mechanism for psychological trauma, which I gather from your anecdotes about your daughter's illness. I blame that on a sloppy OP, Revolte didn't make a clear distinction between the two motivators of SI. If you want a discussion about the modern trend of teenagers slicing themselves open to get a bit of emotional relief, then a thread with this in the OP:

Personally I find the same calming I get from being pierced or tattooed in self-mutilation (Yes I seldom cut as well as burn and other forms of self inflicted damage).

...is not the place, and you'd probably be better off making your own thread which specifically sets a sombre, respectful tone and which would be more appropriate for discussing mental illness (and not a thread which implies that the OP gets a boner when he burns himself with cigarettes).

[Haunted]

It’s much better to quit while you’re behind than to descend so low, but never mind.

For some, they didn't "descend" this low. This is their level.......

Honestly, this is supposed to be a serious discussion forum but as per usual, it's outnumbered by those members who use the forum to go a few rounds with other members. The topic is just an excuse for a slagging match, personal point scoring and childish nitpicking. [...]

Too much "childish nitpicking", but mostly from the same source. Sadly it's my observation that certain people never grow up, in mentality, sensitivity and sensibility.

one that differs from yours and then you come down on them like a stray rabid poodle!!!

some pent-up post teen angst directed at some of the more sensible posters on Litnet [...]

It's not uncommon on public forums that when others don't disagree with them, they lash out and insult everyone in sight. But on a literary forum, we all expect members to be much more polished and show some art in how they use language.

But in this case, I think it's beyond that. Some certain individual really needs anger management.


Litnet should screen people for rabies before letting them in. Where are the animal control people when we need them?

The absolute perfect match, but one made in hell rather than heaven.

Yahh, two cages please....

[JuniperWoolf]

^Hahahaha! You've been waiting a long-*** time to get that off your chest, haven't you sweetheart? I don't think I've pwned you in over a year! Have you been waiting in the wings all this time until my next flame-war with a fellow litnetter?

Too much "childish nitpicking", but mostly from the same source. Sadly it's my observation that certain people never grow up, in mentality, sensitivity and sensibility.

Yeah, and if your defenition of "growing up" means having no general knowledge of contemporary poetry, then crying to the mods and having the thread closed only to pop up in the middle of a random thread a month later to randomly flame someone, then I think I'll pass.

[Haunted]

Reminder everyone: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

[Emil Miller]

[QUOTE=Haunted;1115889]

It's not uncommon on public forums that when others don't disagree with them, they lash out and insult everyone in sight. But on a literary forum, we all expect members to be much more polished and show some art in how they use language.

But in this case, I think it's beyond that. Some certain individual really needs anger management.

It's obvious to anyone, but until the moderators do something about it, the forum will have to put up with an increasing stream of foot-stamping infantilisme reminiscent of this.

[JuniperWoolf]

Reminder everyone: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

You're the one popping up in the middle of a thread and flaming all over the place regarding a random subject (ie. me, in this case) which has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Isn't that the very definition of trolling?

Emil is going to pop up to spew his OWN flames in 3, 2, ...

Ohhhh sh*t, he was too quick for me!

[LitNetIsGreat]

Oh please, not that it matters (your the one who brought the word "lecture" into the conversation…

Wrong again. Yet another case of imagining what I say and going completely overboard, way past overboard - drowning in the sea.

…could have gotten along just fine without it in this discussion) but that was totally lecturing. "There can be no justification for cutting/burning/scaring/chopping off a finger at all?" Part of me could practically hear Mr. Neely saying: "There can be no justification for not preparing yourself for this exam at all."

Yet again another exception to this:

I'll argue against pseudo-morality based infringements of human freedom until I die...

Meaning: I don’t like his opinion or the tone of his opinion (or both) so I’ll bark off again. Human freedom until I die unless I don’t agree with it.

And if you give an opinion that other people are crazy or f*cked up…

Strange, since I’ve never used that language in my entire posting while I’ve been on Litnet! I don't see the point in swearing when it both against the rules and gets blocked out anyway. Another example of imaging what I’m saying and then insulting me (and nearly everyone else) for your imagination. Weird.

…you will usually find that other people share their opinion that you are being hypocritical and condescending, which is exactly what is currently happening. If you don't want to debate with me or anyone then it's as easy as staying out of Serious Discussions (ie. the subforum for debate).

I really don’t care if some people are small minded enough to dislike me for having opinions and sharing them. That’s not my problem. I don’t even think that’s the reality anyway. I’m not keeping out of Serious Discussions because of you either. I will go and read what I like and post where it takes my fancy. I do suggest in future though that if you stop hijacking my opinions with silly rants it will do several people a few favours.

YOU are narrow-minded, and it's silly to call people crazy or f*cked up just because they're not exactly like Neely.

Again I haven’t said that (play the record) again, this is your imagination and hate issue, not mine. Narrow-minded? I say pot and kettle scenario.

This is officiallly going nowhere, we've resorted to literally describing the thread as it's occured up until this point. That's always a clear sign that it's over.

Good idea. This is about the only sensible thing you have said. Let’s hope this is over; just end it here.

[JuniperWoolf]

Wrong again. Yet another case of imagining what I say and going completely overboard, way past overboard - drowning in the sea.

Aaaaaaand why? Another hint, Neely: when you're debating with someone, you've got to explain your points. You can't just randomly say stuff with that "so there!" attitude, that's not even a point at all.

Meaning: I don’t like his opinion or the tone of his opinion (or both) so I’ll bark off again. Human freedom until I die unless I don’t agree with it.

Wrong. As I've said three times before, you're free to say whatever you want and if anyone ever tried to inhibit you from doing so I'd beak off at them in the same way I'm currently beaking off at you. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?" Do you even know what "freedom" means?

Strange, since I’ve never used that language in my entire posting while I’ve been on Litnet!

Yes, no s***, I was obviously paraphrasing. I could have said that you thought they were "insane and unnatural," but the language that you use is, frankly, so stuffy that it feels like a straightjacket on me. I didn't change the meaning in the slightest. I could prove that by going through the thread to quote your actual language, but I'm tired as hell and I have to work in eight hours.

I don't see the point in swearing when it both against the rules and gets blocked out anyway.

Actually, it isn't against the rules according to Admin:

If you want to get a point across that requires you to swear, swear normally. It will be blocked by the word filters. However, like TV bleeps, everyone will know what you mean. Except for the little innocent kids.

I hate you ****ing *******.

This is yet another example of why you need to learn how to read more carefully.

I’m not keeping out of Serious Discussions because of you either. I will go and read what I like and post where it takes my fancy. I do suggest in future though that if you stop hijacking my opinions with silly rants it will do several people a few favours.

I'm not trying to bully you out, I'm telling you that if debate bothers you so much than maybe you should consider staying out of the debate subforum. How is that even a controversial statement?

Narrow-minded? I say pot and kettle scenario.

So you are admitting you're narrow minded! The kettle was black, right?

Let’s hope this is over; just end it here.

I guess we'll see.

[Haunted]

You're the one popping up in the middle of a thread and flaming all over the place regarding a random subject (ie. me, in this case) which has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Isn't that the very definition of trolling?

Emil is going to pop up to spew his OWN flames in 3, 2, ...

Me "popping up in the middle of a thread and flaming all over the place regarding a random subject (ie. me, in this case)"?????

So no one can post in the middle of a thread? Who are you to decide who can come in to post and who can't?

How could you deduce that it was you as the subject? Did something click?


You are wrong. I didn't start the flaming. It was already started. I was here to post on topic but all I saw was complaints from respectable Litnetters about a certain "rabid grizzly bear" and "stray rabid poodle" for her "childish nitpicking".

^Hahahaha! You've been waiting a long-*** time to get that off your chest, haven't you sweetheart? I don't think I've pwned you in over a year!

You've "pwned" me....hmmm.

So you admitted to harassing and abusing other members? Gotcha.

http://www.online-literature.com/for...ent.php?f=8591


oh jeez, I just fed the troll. My bad.

Wrong again. Yet another case of imagining what I say and going completely overboard, way past overboard - drowning in the sea.


....

Strange, since I’ve never used that language in my entire posting while I’ve been on Litnet! I don't see the point in swearing when it both against the rules and gets blocked out anyway. Another example of imaging what I’m saying and then insulting me (and nearly everyone else) for your imagination. Weird.


....

I do suggest in future though that if you stop hijacking my opinions with silly rants it will do several people a few favours.


....

Again I haven’t said that (play the record) again, this is your imagination and hate issue, not mine. Narrow-minded? I say pot and kettle scenario.



Good idea. This is about the only sensible thing you have said. Let’s hope this is over; just end it here.

Ditto. If it's any consolation Neely, it happened to me times before...someone putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, then picks a fight based on their "imagining" what I said. Guess who.

Yeah, and if your defenition of "growing up" means having no general knowledge of contemporary poetry [...]

Getting a little personal, don't you think? Usually when someone loses an argument they resort to personal insults.

Anyway a big thank you for reading my poetry. I didn't know you know so much about contemporary poetry. What are your credentials?

You should post your comments there. Practically all the comments I received are positive. It needs a rabid poster to mix things up.




When this calms down I'd like reply to the OP and comment on some thoughtful posts. This to be an interesting thread and shouldn't be disrupted by teenage outbursts.

[Mutatis-Mutandis]

Honestly, this is supposed to be a serious discussion forum but as per usual, it's outnumbered by those members who use the forum to go a few rounds with other members. The topic is just an excuse for a slagging match, personal point scoring and childish nitpicking. It's full of sarcastic comments to each other, disrespectful and although I did post a few times because this subject is very close to home for me, what's the damn point of me laying it out there when so few are really engaging in the discussion? I can barely see from all the **** flying back and forth.

Yes, because that wouldn't be a boring forum at all.

Yahh, two cages please....

I love that that statement is in the same post condemning people for childish behavior.

How could you deduce that it was you as the subject? Did something click?

Oh, please. It's so painfully obvious that you're talking about Juniper it's ridiculous. You, like so many others, must also have some sort of vendetta against Juniper. What's wrong, did she hurt you feewings?

Juniper isn't a troll, anymore than anyone else in this thread. On the count of people throwing around childish insults, either more or Emil probably hold the top spot in that regard, as opposed to Juniper who has written her side pretty extensively. She's just passionate, and you apparently have absolutely no clue what an actual troll is. If anyone is a troll here, it's been Emil (not that I think he has been), as all he has done is post pictures and smartass comments.

Frankly, heated debates like this are why I come to this forum. As opposed to certain martyrs, if we all always got along and walked on our tip-toes so we didn't hurt anyone's feeling, things would suck. If you have a problem with it, don't come on here and act like you're above everyone (Haunted). If you have a huge problem with something, report it to the moderators (as I've been told to do by the moderators several times).

Ditto. If it's any consolation Neely, it happened to me times before...someone putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, then picks a fight based on their "imagining" what I said. Guess who.





Getting a little personal, don't you think? Usually when someone loses an argument they resort to personal insults.

Anyway a big thank you for reading my poetry. I didn't know you know so much about contemporary poetry. What are your credentials?

You should post your comments there. Practically all the comments I received are positive. It needs a rabid poster to mix things up.




When this calms down I'd like reply to the OP and comment on some thoughtful posts. This to be an interesting thread and shouldn't be disrupted by teenage outbursts.

Oh, please, stop being a hypocrite. You're the one who came on here attacking Juniper, condemning HER for childish behavior, so quit with this crap, will you? It's more trollish than anything she's done.

[Haunted]

Oh, please. It's so painfully obvious that you're talking about Juniper it's ridiculous. You, like so many others, must also have some sort of vendetta against Juniper. What's wrong, did she hurt you feewings?

I haven't read the rest of your post and I don't intend to. It's all apologist spiel. BUt let me ask you this: how long have you been active around here? This lady you are defending has been stalking me and harassing me and others since 2009. She violated me many times. DId you read what she just said? "I don't think I've pwned you in over a year!" That's how long she's been on my back, going back years. I couldn't shake her.

I don't think people here have vendetta other than we are provoked. And you, young man, you are hanging out with the wrong crowd.

You came to defend someone like a boy rushing to defend his best buddy and picking a fight with someone who you don'tt know, that's very high school. And you call me childish? Let me say this to you: you didn't attack me by calling me childish, you attacked your own sensibility. Think about that.

As to you latest post, I won't dignify with an reply except that you didn't know the history of abuse from this certain poster. If I were you, I would butt out.