In America lobbyists in the direct employ of corporations draft legislation. I don't know much about Great Britain, but from what I've heard its not as immaculate as you make it out to be.Originally Posted by Emil Miller
In America lobbyists in the direct employ of corporations draft legislation. I don't know much about Great Britain, but from what I've heard its not as immaculate as you make it out to be.
Also, people are saying that marijuana should be illegal for the same reasons that alcohol should be illegal. The reasons for outlawing the latter are even more persuasive. Arguing that alcohol should be allowed because its been legal forever is like saying we should continue a wrong because we've been wrong for so long. The logic is unsound.
The social aspect of marijuana smoking has completely skewed my views on this. I associate marijuana with laziness, dirtiness, and people who want to stop me on the street and bother me with religious and philosophical conversations that don't make a lick of sense. I know this is unfair and entirely untrue, but those are the people that come into my head when I think of marijuana. I also think it smells absolutely horrid.
Doesn't matter what I think of it in the end because I don't smoke it and I never have. I guess it's not something I care about because it doesn't apply to me in the least. My world wouldn't change with or without marijuana.
I will say, however, that I believe alcohol to be far more dangerous than marijuana and, if marijuana is illegal, alcohol should be as well. Alcohol has directly affected me and my family's well being (many of my family members have been in car accidents because of drunk drivers and I was physically assaulted by a drunk person) so I DO have many thoughts on alcohol. Marijuana doesn't bother me as much as alcohol does.
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If the British Medical Association had its way, it would certainly like to ban alcohol for the reasons that have been stated, just as it would like to ban cigarettes, but they know from the experience of the USA between 1919 and 1933 that it would be impossible, so they continue to warn people of the harmful effects of smoking and drinking. They also advise the government that cannabis is harmful and should not be legalised. So the bottom line is that, regardless of some people wanting to use it anyway, it remains an illegal substance and that's the current position which may change in due course but at this point in time it would seem unlikely.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
The part about the conversations is what makes me question whether there is any positive correlation between smoking marijuana and creativity. Listening to someone who has had a bit too much alcohol isn't any better.
That's as good a reason as any not to go down the rabbit hole.
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They were well dressed in "Reefer Madness". I have to admit I do not identify marijuana with dirtiness or religious pamphlets (maybe the 1960's). It sounds like 1950's social convention. And do not get me wrong, I like many traditional values, but to view marijuana as something for stinky longhaired hippies is from another time and place.
Nnnnnooooo, you're debating on an online forum in favour of the continuation of a zero-tolerance policy in regards to marijuana.
I do push for lower tuition rates (I used to be a member of the SU), and I also dedicate a lot of my time and writing to freedom of information on the internet; these plus the legalization of marijuana are my three main pet projects. We don't really need healthcare reforms in Canada in my opinion (although people do love to go on about it, blah blah Stelmach blah blah privatized healthcare paranoia - never gonna happen), and our public schools are doing relatively well as long as you don't give a sh*t about the arts, which I don't. Also, in Alberta we've got jobs aplenty, especially for young people - you've got to be very physically fit to work in the oil patch. Reminder: I live in a different country than you do. The priorities and interests of people living here are different than those of people living in the UK. I know that in North America protesting against a legislation which significantly funds global terrorism and criminality, plus leeches tonnes of money away from public works is quite a worthy goal. Besides "it's smelly," I still don't understand why you disagree.
Also, what do you mean there would be little point? You don't seem to have very much faith in humanity or democracy.
...And, did you just call me an angst teen? Doesn't angst = insecure/hopeless? I'm pretty hopeful and clearly full of myself, and also I'm 23.
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You don't give a **** about the arts, Juniper?
Not in school. I don't think that humans need to take a class to learn to love creating things. School is for learning stuff like math and science, not hobbies. I don't have a very strong opinion about it though, I literally don't care. If the pro-art-in-school crowd feels that strongly about it, then I don't mind if they succeed. It would just be 45 minutes of fun time for kids, which isn't a bad thing I guess.
I know, I've been ranted at by many people.
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"Personal note: When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six, I did. At first the brightness was overwhelming, but I had seen that before. I kept looking, forcing myself not to blink, and then the brightness began to dissolve. My pupils shrunk to pinholes and everything came into focus and for a moment I understood. The doctors didn't know if my eyes would ever heal."
-Pi
I couldn't agree more. I recognize this association of marijuana with hippies as being foolish on my own part. Unfortunately, I have never been around individuals who contradict the stereotype, as outdated and close-minded as it may be.
To be perfectly honest, I am entirely indifferent to the legalization of marijuana. It sparks absolutely no response from me as I have never smoked it in my life. The only response that I really have in regards to its legalization is that I do believe it is safer than alcohol and if alcohol remains legal (which it will), then there really seems to be no logical reason to make marijuana illegal. If the one that is more dangerous is the one that is legal then it seems to be a rather twisted law.
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(Not where I breathe but where I love, I live)
How dare you question the goverment !?!? It knows best always, only a traitor and un-patriotic man would ever question his goverment!
I don't understand….If you go back I think I have more than adequately described my position on cannabis. Look to my last post on why a government minister is not going to push for the legalisation of it and the eleven pages prior to that.I still don't understand why you disagree…
Because to give cannabis the green light is to…(see previous comments)You admit that marijuana being illegal and alcohol being legal is just bad luck for the stoners, but then you say that the illegality of marijuana is just? How is it just?
I agree with the current government position, that’s all.Nnnnnooooo, you're debating on an online forum in favour of the continuation of a zero-tolerance policy in regards to marijuana.
No I have a realist's view of humanity and democracy but perhaps that’s the same thing?Also, what do you mean there would be little point? You don't seem to have very much faith in humanity or democracy.
No I didn't call you anything. I was speaking generally, but the issue does strike me as one which is driven by a fanatic-like teen angst, that's what I mean....And, did you just call me an angst teen? Doesn't angst = insecure/hopeless? I'm pretty hopeful and clearly full of myself, and also I'm 23.
I'll pass on the not needing an art/literature teacher comment, I don't even want to pick that stone up!
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I think you will find that many of them ditched the long hair and stinky cannabis and took to wearing suits and sniffing cocaine once the hippie nonsense fell out of fashion.And do not get me wrong, I like many traditional values, but to view marijuana as something for stinky longhaired hippies is from another time and place
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
I assume you feel the same way about sports, which would seem even more useless,
Well, this doesn't make sense to me, because people do need to learn how to create things, if they want to create things. They can be taught techniques, how to utilize different mediums, etc. Plus, it's a bit easier to learn how to play an instrument with instruction.
And, it can be more than a hobby. Many people make their livings as an artist and musician.
Well the next time you're sitting comfortably in your favorite pub sipping a frosty mug of ale you can think of the young man spending that night and many more to come inside a stark windowless cell, away from his family, away from his life, just because he indulged in a product less harmful than that which fizzes there in your hand. A most just and rational circumstance.
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