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    Tbh, Derrida and Foucault were never dominant, and this for guys who try to approach with a scientific theory of shorts, will lead to museumfication. You can imagine somehow the return of lefty- marxism in politics may give them some new readings. They kind off did their effect and of course, in social sciences, mummies are like hollywood movies... they have several retuns.

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    Pardon me for saying this, but I think the Harry Potter series has definite makings of a classic. Other than that, we have The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time, The Memory-Keeper's Daughter, and The Time-Traveler's Wife.

    Oh, and pretty much every work of scifi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AjaxAscendant View Post
    Pardon me for saying this, but I think the Harry Potter series has definite makings of a classic. Other than that, we have The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time, The Memory-Keeper's Daughter, and The Time-Traveler's Wife.

    Oh, and pretty much every work of scifi.
    Sorry but can you please explain to me what is so great about that book? I read it and thought it was OK but I would never say it would be a classic in years to come. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything just wondering why you think that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBI View Post
    What I am waiting for is the emergence of a Norton Arabic Poetry, but I think I will be waiting for a while.
    Have you seen the book Tablet and Pen? http://www.amazon.com/Tablet-Pen-Lit.../dp/0393065855 Or did you have something different in mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBI View Post
    Just so you know, Derrida and Foucault are already a thing of the past. Theory has been dead or on its last breath for at least 5 years in the top American universities at least. The return to Aesthetics has already begun, and close reading will be making a comeback in the process.

    Really the people who quote theory widely are just the least self-assure of the bunch.
    Can you call my university and tell them and all my professors about this, because they seem to be under the impression that theory and authors from almost all theoretical periods deserve to be read and discussed. I'm sure once they hear you called, their re-work the whole curriculum. We are, after all, just a bunch of backward, theory quoting philistines.

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    Just a general trend I had been noticing. That these authors are still studied does not prove anything -
    Why does this not prove anything? I can't really think of anything that shows the contrary to your assertions than that they're still being studied.*

    The theoretical textual tradition seems to have dried up.
    Despite it still being widely studied, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AjaxAscendant View Post
    Pardon me for saying this, but I think the Harry Potter series has definite makings of a classic. .
    There are some things beyond pardon.
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    2666 it's a masterpiece I think students will study in universities in the future.
    There is hope, but not for us.

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    Watching them debating each other and bringing up things of which I haven't a clue makes me feel like the runt with two left feet who gets relegated to the side-lines while the tall talented kids dribble about and dunk.
    Haha, then you'll feel even worse once I tell you that JBI is only twenty years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Can you call my university and tell them and all my professors about this, because they seem to be under the impression that theory and authors from almost all theoretical periods deserve to be read and discussed. I'm sure once they hear you called, their re-work the whole curriculum. We are, after all, just a bunch of backward, theory quoting philistines.


    Why does this not prove anything? I can't really think of anything that shows the contrary to your assertions than that they're still being studied.*


    Despite it still being widely studied, right?
    And after he's called your University, he can call the U.S. government leaders, European government leaders, Asian government leaders, etc., and oh-let's not forget Cuba, and tell them that in fact China is no longer a communist country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Can you call my university and tell them and all my professors about this, because they seem to be under the impression that theory and authors from almost all theoretical periods deserve to be read and discussed. I'm sure once they hear you called, their re-work the whole curriculum. We are, after all, just a bunch of backward, theory quoting philistines.


    Why does this not prove anything? I can't really think of anything that shows the contrary to your assertions than that they're still being studied.*


    Despite it still being widely studied, right?
    Plus I have a facebook pal who graduated with her Ph. D. that actually wrote her dissertation on cyborg transvestites with leaking bodies last year and now has a tenured position teaching literature. Granted it is a community college and not an Ivy League, but still . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf View Post
    Haha, then you'll feel even worse once I tell you that JBI is only twenty years old.
    Really, JBI you are but one year older than me ? Wow, I am impressed with the range of your literary reading is such a case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalterror View Post
    Have you seen the book Tablet and Pen? http://www.amazon.com/Tablet-Pen-Lit.../dp/0393065855 Or did you have something different in mind?
    I didn't see it, and it didn't pop up. Now that I have seen it, I am very pleased, and will no doubt look for it in my library tomorrow. This is pleasing, oh so pleasing, though what is included?

    As for ancient works though? what substantial editions should I turn to, particularly for poetry, with good commentary mind you. The books I found on the shelves are hit and miss, and though the collection seems large, the university's departments seem lacking in research and information as to what to read.

    Could you perhaps point me in a direction in private message or on here if you do not mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf View Post
    Haha, then you'll feel even worse once I tell you that JBI is only twenty years old.
    Nearly 22 actually but that is inconsequential. It's the size of the ego not the age of the ego that counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Can you call my university and tell them and all my professors about this, because they seem to be under the impression that theory and authors from almost all theoretical periods deserve to be read and discussed. I'm sure once they hear you called, their re-work the whole curriculum. We are, after all, just a bunch of backward, theory quoting philistines.


    Why does this not prove anything? I can't really think of anything that shows the contrary to your assertions than that they're still being studied.*


    Despite it still being widely studied, right?
    That wasn't my point. My point was not that these texts were being read still, the same way Northrop Frye is still read, it is just that the tradition has moved into museum, and the age of theory is dead.

    The debates and issues of theory are no longer the foreground on the field, other issues beyond the post-structuralist deconstructionist issues of hermeneutics and implications are foreground. That isn't to say that they have died, but merely look at the publication date of most of the major works of theoretical writing. How many are new, current, innovative and original? I bet most of the textual tradition is from 20-30 years ago, and perhaps influenced by works older than them. Even the theory writers to an extent have changed in style.


    I mean Eagleton himself published After Theory in 2003, we are going on 9 years and what has changed since then? I think the fact that theory is taught the way it is a great sign of its current death and movement into a genre for study. The use of it is still present, if a little bit flamboyant in delivery (it is hard to be taken seriously while taking intensely theoretical stuff too seriously and trying to apply it after all) but the tradition of theory itself seems to have evaporated in favor of other concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBI View Post
    Nearly 22 actually but that is inconsequential. It's the size of the ego not the age of the ego that counts.
    Well said.

    Honestly, I take solace in the age of JBI. Sometimes I forget he's younger than me when starts on about something, and then I feel silly for making smartass comments to a youngin.

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