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    An interesting question

    What is it that makes an author worthy of Nobel?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...usaolp00000003
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    I'd love to see Rowling win. What a Bugsbunny Curveball that would be!

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    She doesn’t write great sentences, and it would be hard to argue that the subject matter is hugely important. But the questions, characters, stories, and values in her work have resonated with the world.

    And what more can books do than that?
    What more can books do than that? What more can books do than that! Go read Dante, Shakespeare, Homer, Milton, Virgil, Tasso, Firdawsi, Rumi, Horace, Hafez, Nizami, Vyasa, Valmiki, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes, Herman Melville, Charles Dickens, Racine, Calderon, Goethe, etc. and then ask that question. They can lift you to another planet and make you proud to be a human being and somehow distantly related to the kind of beings who are capable of such magnificence. Blinding, unquestionable, world shaking talent, that should be the criterion for the Nobel Prize.

    Since Gabriel Garcia Marquez already has one, I wouldn't mind if Tom Stoppard, Edward Albee, Adonis, or Haruki Murakami also got one to hang on their walls. At the moment, I can't think of anyone else who would be worthy. Getting people to read shouldn't be the goal of the Nobel Prize committee. If that's all literature was about then you could give the prize to Rupert Murdoch who put tits in newspapers and Amazon.com for inventing the Kindle.
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    The Huffington article isn't endorsing Rowling based on literary merit. In fact, it concedes that literary merit wise her writing falls far short of the ideal.

    The endorsement is based on altruism which is a strong element in all the Nobel prizes. And altruism wise, one could argue Rowling is at the very forefront.

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    I wasn't in the least surprised to see that the poll registered 63.39% for and 36.61% against. It's what living in a declining civilisation is all about.
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    The Nobel awards... pfff... look who are all the fools they give the peace prize to...I wouldn't be surprised if the Nobel for literature took the same dive...

    It would be tragic if Rowling and Steinbeck were in the same 'club.'
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    When I read the title of the article, "Should J.K. Rowling get the Nobel Prize," I literally thought, "for what." It took a few seconds to register that they actually meant the prize for literature.

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    It seems that the giving of the prize is more political than anything. No matter how you feel about Obama and his political viewpoints, consider the reasoning that he received his Nobel. He received it without actually accomplishing anything for it yet. I think that J.K. Rowling has entertained lots of people, but should the prize be awarded based on popularity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Darnay View Post
    What is it that makes an author worthy of Nobel?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...usaolp00000003
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafolini View Post
    Hope for freedom, evolution and globalization of science.
    The Freedom part is good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalterror View Post
    What more can books do than that? What more can books do than that! Go read Dante, Shakespeare, Homer, Milton, Virgil, Tasso, Firdawsi, Rumi, Horace, Hafez, Nizami, Vyasa, Valmiki, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes, Herman Melville, Charles Dickens, Racine, Calderon, Goethe, etc. and then ask that question. They can lift you to another planet and make you proud to be a human being and somehow distantly related to the kind of beings who are capable of such magnificence. Blinding, unquestionable, world shaking talent, that should be the criterion for the Nobel Prize.
    While I agree with you, I can hear Jeff Bridges saying "yeah, well, you know that's just like uhh your opinion, man."

    "They can lift you to another planet and make you proud to be human" - can't Harry Potter do that?

    I'm just playing Devil's advocate here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafolini View Post
    Hope for freedom, evolution and globalization of science.
    Despite his inclination for science, Nobel recognized Literature's importance as well and that is why is part of the legitimate awards....unlike Economics who slid under the wire and said "yeah, we're here too! We're important!" (not that economists aren't important.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Darnay View Post
    Despite his inclination for science, Nobel recognized Literature's importance as well and that is why is part of the legitimate awards....unlike Economics who slid under the wire and said "yeah, we're here too! We're important!" (not that economists aren't important.)
    True. But Nobel-recognized literature does not cause antiscientific currents. And Economics is pretty much US Federal Reserve conducted when it wins. Which is a good thing and will remain so.
    An interesting thing happened with Octavio Paz, for example. After receiving the Cervantes around 1980, he spend the next decade pretty much reconciling himself with Rivera and Neruda, and most important, criticizing the Catholic faith in Mexico, through critics of the most famous nun. Soon he received the Nobel around 1990. Spainish conservatives were totally disgusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emil Miller View Post
    I wasn't in the least surprised to see that the poll registered 63.39% for and 36.61% against. It's what living in a declining civilisation is all about.
    As always Emil, Here Here!!

    In our culturally declinding and technologically advancing society our Technology has exceeded our Humanity a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonywalt View Post
    As always Emil, Here Here!!

    In our culturally declinding and technologically advancing society our Technology has exceeded our Humanity a long time ago.
    We could go back to William James probably, but probably at least Henry Ford and his birdwatching friend. It's a good thing. We have come a long ways and moving on.

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