Lady Chatterley's Lover

[Darcy88]

Yes the few who succeed enjoy the relationships to the fullest extent. And what binds them together is understanding and this is not infatuation and it is a sense of togetherness. I have read a Greek legend in which there was a being that split up and got turned into two beings: male and female. They again wanted to regain their old unity since they have been by accident two beings. That is how sex has happened since they become intertwined and this sense of sex is the feeling of togetherness and today few want this kind of kinship. They have some urges, that rise up inside their bodies through some chemical reactions, sex hormones and once they satisfy themselves everything is over. But in real love they become one and intimately and integrally one and feel the eternal joy of sex and unity and this is what I felt in his novel. Now I am reading his other novel Sons and Lovers which I had read in my school days and now as a matured man I read it differently and I find a different meaning here, a different philosophy since in those days my impotency or immaturity barred me from comprehending this great literature

Wow. Well said Osho. Plato has Aristophanes cover that myth in his speech in the Symposium. The conversation going on in this thread is fascinating and enlightening. Lady Chatterly is one of my favourite books. I have not read it in years but you are making me want to pick it up again.

[ftil]

Magic, mystery, music and mythology have always fascinated me and in fact I find so many of questions and curiosities answered through them and even in literature I am intrigued by magic realism, a blend of magic and realism something I find mirrored in some postmodern literature. I have not read anything of the Italian writer Bruno which you and osho have much discussed.I have indeed a great passion for painting too and up to a certain age I updated myself with the latest advancements in art and I have since then abandoned that zone now my heart is much in mythology, literature and philosophy and in fact I get lost in that domain and some of the truths we must know in life got unfolded to me through these disciplines.

Now through conversations with someone like you I will find great revelations in the realm of magic. At times I feel objective reality belittles our capacity for imagination and it stands as a wall between our imagination and the actualities we live in. We do not accustom ourselves to that mysterious domain, to that remotest human psyche and fancy. The fact you are passionate about magic is really fascinating me to talk more to you. Can you tell me a little about what inspired you to take an interest in magic a little bit background about your passions for literature and the like and it is up to you to PM or discuss here. Since it will be easier to discuss our domains of interests and passions more closely and profoundly if we know a little bit about ourselves. Anyway I really got a great fascination in your conversations with osho and was a silent but fervent participant or listener there

I have to take a break from writing now. I have opened a Pandora Box with feelings and thoughts after reading G. Bruno and I need to absorb it. But before I take a break, I would like to share my thoughts.

I was thinking what Osho wrote as he said, ”I cannot have multiple relationships though I often have this desire even something for threesome”. I guess I can say that it has been a desire for a number of men as I have seen many artists who painted women in a harem. Of course, we will never know if it was the artist’s desire or if it was a desire of a sponsor with his desire to manipulate and create changes in psyche of people.

I was thinking about a tread on another forum called “Sex Communism” Well, it has started with sex communism and has ended up with nudity. Anyway, the tread was funny to read as most members who strongly opposed that idea articulated their thoughts with such a clarity and a great sense of humor. There were only 2 members who argued to dead of the tread for a sex communism. Both men and women didn’t wanted to have a relationships where the partner had multiple sexual relationships. To be honest, I was curious what men thought about it and they didn’t want it. Only one female member was open to that idea, and in fact, she had that kind of relationship where both she and her partner had multiple sexual partners. She said that she was happy and her partner was happy. Ironically, he left relationship and marred somebody else. If he really was happy….....he would stay. I guess it was a denial or rationalization on her part. So, it is possible to have a tiresome relationship? I don’t know any women who would want that but there are 7 billion of people and half of them are women. But perhaps it is possible if they don’t have any desire for deep intimacy but operate only on an instinctual level. The question we may ask: did women in harem were happy or manipulated into that kind of thinking. If they were poor…..it might have looked as a good idea. The best option of imprisonment.

[osho]

I have to take a break from writing now. I have opened a Pandora Box with feelings and thoughts after reading G. Bruno and I need to absorb it. But before I take a break, I would like to share my thoughts.

I was thinking what Osho wrote as he said, ”I cannot have multiple relationships though I often have this desire even something for threesome”. I guess I can say that it has been a desire for a number of men as I have seen many artists who painted women in a harem. Of course, we will never know if it was the artist’s desire or if it was a desire of a sponsor with his desire to manipulate and create changes in psyche of people.

I was thinking about a tread on another forum called “Sex Communism” Well, it has started with sex communism and has ended up with nudity. Anyway, the tread was funny to read as most members who strongly opposed that idea articulated their thoughts with such a clarity and a great sense of humor. There were only 2 members who argued to dead of the tread for a sex communism. Both men and women didn’t wanted to have a relationships where the partner had multiple sexual relationships. To be honest, I was curious what men thought about it and they didn’t want it. Only one female member was open to that idea, and in fact, she had that kind of relationship where both she and her partner had multiple sexual partners. She said that she was happy and her partner was happy. Ironically, he left relationship and marred somebody else. If he really was happy….....he would stay. I guess it was a denial or rationalization on her part. So, it is possible to have a tiresome relationship? I don’t know any women who would want that but there are 7 billion of people and half of them are women. But perhaps it is possible if they don’t have any desire for deep intimacy but operate only on an instinctual level. The question we may ask: did women in harem were happy or manipulated into that kind of thinking. If they were poor…..it might have looked as a good idea. The best option of imprisonment.

Though I have no intention to poke around between your conversations with blaze I think it has some pertinence to recommend you to read THE KAMA SUTRA OF VATSYAYANA with regard to your quote of "harem". This is a magnum opus and you cannot come upon something like this in any western repertoire. So many your unanswered questions, relationships between man and woman, their sexual urges, their prejudices in this iconoclastic book and I think if you read this books detachedly you will not have any assumption about what I said and I will never be misquoted in this context

[osho]

Wow. Well said Osho. Plato has Aristophanes cover that myth in his speech in the Symposium. The conversation going on in this thread is fascinating and enlightening. Lady Chatterly is one of my favourite books. I have not read it in years but you are making me want to pick it up again.

I am really elated to know that you understood the essence of my conversation with ftil

[ftil]

Though I have no intention to poke around between your conversations with blaze I think it has some pertinence to recommend you to read THE KAMA SUTRA OF VATSYAYANA with regard to your quote of "harem". This is a magnum opus and you cannot come upon something like this in any western repertoire. So many your unanswered questions, relationships between man and woman, their sexual urges, their prejudices in this iconoclastic book and I think if you read this books detachedly you will not have any assumption about what I said and I will never be misquoted in this context

I have read it years ago. A couple of years ago, I have seen your Osho talking about it. When you can look at him, you see a man void of any feelings with soulless eyes. Second, look at Kandariya Mahadev sculptures. Orgy and sex with animals. Perhaps, it is your way of having a relationship. I can tell that I have never met a woman who was promiscuous but who wouldn’t regret it later. I met those women in real life and women expressed the same regret on the sex communism tread.

Again, there are men who want and are capable of having deep intimate relationships and there are men who don’t. I met more than a few of them who don’t. They ignite interest and passion in women….for a very short time. But then the boredom sets in as they are boring without depth of the souls, lacking of insights and incapable of passionate discussions. From perspective, I can honestly say as many women said……..it was a waste of time.
BTW, you may read Kalachakra Tantra. A Shadow of Dalai Lama. If I didn’t read this book, I wouldn’t find Giordano Bruno. Everything is connected.

[osho]

I have read it years ago. A couple of years ago, I have seen your Osho talking about it. When you can look at him, you see a man void of any feelings with soulless eyes. Second, look at Kandariya Mahadev sculptures. Orgy and sex with animals. Perhaps, it is your way of having a relationship. I can tell that I have never met a woman who was promiscuous but who wouldn’t regret it later. I met those women in real life and women expressed the same regret on the sex communism tread.

Again, there are men who want and are capable of having deep intimate relationships and there are men who don’t. I met more than a few of them who don’t. They ignite interest and passion in women….for a very short time. But then the boredom sets in as they are boring without depth of the souls, lacking of insights and incapable of passionate discussions. From perspective, I can honestly say as many women said……..it was a waste of time.
BTW, you may read Kalachakra Tantra. A Shadow of Dalai Lama. If I didn’t read this book, I wouldn’t find Giordano Bruno. Everything is connected.

It is really nice to hear that you have a read a wide range of books and your hunger for books is really startling. While I too read books voraciously but I cannot measure up to you and of course I will have lots of things to learn from you despite seeming differences between us. I know my posts have oftentimes have exasperated you since I writing daringly and unconcernedly, almost callously what the rest think. It is nice we come from different disciplines, and we have no fixation. I am personally straightforward and am unaware about the impact my post might made on you. All I want to do is unfurl what goes inside me rather than morphing ideas, masquerading one's feelings. I do not want a mask of civilization and yes I often change and those who feign changelessness and stability in their relationships with their best moods are fakes and I hate them. I want open confrontations and want to put all that go on the inside inside-out. I may anger people but the impact is always positive. I do not know how you mistook me and of course we are humans and are therefore capable of straying, but indeed I may return to my earlier stance, calm and composed. One of the books you have recommended me Kalachakra Tantra is really fascinating and though I have no access to them save Wikipedia I am trying to read a book on it. In fact humans have weaknesses and they cannot maintain their moods all the time and that will be reflective of their behaviors.

[ftil]

It is really nice to hear that you have a read a wide range of books and your hunger for books is really startling. While I too read books voraciously but I cannot measure up to you and of course I will have lots of things to learn from you despite seeming differences between us. I know my posts have oftentimes have exasperated you since I writing daringly and unconcernedly, almost callously what the rest think. It is nice we come from different disciplines, and we have no fixation. I am personally straightforward and am unaware about the impact my post might made on you. All I want to do is unfurl what goes inside me rather than morphing ideas, masquerading one's feelings. I do not want a mask of civilization and yes I often change and those who feign changelessness and stability in their relationships with their best moods are fakes and I hate them. I want open confrontations and want to put all that go on the inside inside-out. I may anger people but the impact is always positive. I do not know how you mistook me and of course we are humans and are therefore capable of straying, but indeed I may return to my earlier stance, calm and composed. One of the books you have recommended me Kalachakra Tantra is really fascinating and though I have no access to them save Wikipedia I am trying to read a book on it. In fact humans have weaknesses and they cannot maintain their moods all the time and that will be reflective of their behaviors.

Osho, you have misunderstood me. When I thanked for our conversation, I was clear that we have reached a point where we had too many differences regarding relationships that there was no point to continue. We talked about relationships, and passions, and sex and I become disinterested when it has become a repetition. Second, as you said that you would want to have multiple sexual partners, I have realized that our discussion was not about relationships but about sexual encounters. You may find on a forum female members who would enjoy being entertained by the idea of having multiple sexual partners.

I am not interested in that kind of discussion. First, I don’t know any woman who would want that. I know a number of women who had that kind of partners and they left them. I don’t say that there are not women who would welcome being with a partner who has multiple sexual partners. I don’t know them and I wouldn’t be interested to get to know them. It is not that I judge both men and women for having different preferences. It is not my business and we have a choice with whom we interact. We want to be around like minded people as the energy is high in that kind of interactions. It is as simple as that.

Finally, if you think that women welcome having a partner who has several sexual partners, don’t you think that you waste your time on the forum. Your life should be very busy to accommodate them.
And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste.

I hope that I expressed myself clearly and that you would respect that.

[osho]

Osho, you have misunderstood me. When I thanked for our conversation, I was clear that we have reached a point where we had too many differences regarding relationships that there was no point to continue. We talked about relationships, and passions, and sex and I become disinterested when it has become a repetition. Second, as you said that you would want to have multiple sexual partners, I have realized that our discussion was not about relationships but about sexual encounters. You may find on a forum female members who would enjoy being entertained by the idea of having multiple sexual partners.

I am not interested in that kind of discussion. First, I don’t know any woman who would want that. I know a number of women who had that kind of partners and they left them. I don’t say that there are not women who would welcome being with a partner who has multiple sexual partners. I don’t know them and I wouldn’t be interested to get to know them. It is not that I judge both men and women for having different preferences. It is not my business and we have a choice with whom we interact. We want to be around like minded people as the energy is high in that kind of interactions. It is as simple as that.

Finally, if you think that women welcome having a partner who has several sexual partners, don’t you think that you waste your time on the forum. Your life should be very busy to accommodate them.
And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste.

I hope that I expressed myself clearly and that you would respect that.

You always startle me with your quirks and you did not limit the discussion to something we do for the sake of conversation. I never said I am having or will have multiple sex or personal relationships and I have never had and will not have. This is impudence and narrow-mindedness and it speaks up the world you came from and it is not your fault to judge me or somebody like by the open discussion or some themes people catch on.

We were drifting with the topic Lady Chatterley's Lovers and this book is full of such themes and I have gone thematically and w have been little bit open and we had no motive to encumber each other. There was a natural flow in our conversation and it was on an impersonal level and suddenly your rootedness came in, and what you might have learned or some of the sweeter or bitter experiences you might have gone with man / men popped up there. In fact our cultural blockades demean us and that will drown any relationships. I never meant to treat you along the lines you have thought though at times we talked passionately. Art and personality are two different domains. My discussion was bounded by art and you suddenly linked it to life and despoiled the flow and tired to smash up my literary personality. You have to act civilly and this kind of attitude will single out you friends. I am your friend here, one of the literary team and do not hodgepodge open discussion with the personality issue and check here on some other threads there is a free flow of communication that goes unabatedly and objectively.

[ftil]

Osho wrote:

There was a natural flow in our conversation and it was on an impersonal level and suddenly your rootedness came in, and what you might have learned or some of the sweeter or bitter experiences you might have gone with man / men popped up there.

Hehehe….I lost my interest ….it was not sudden as you look how many posts I wrote.

Bitter experience with men…….I don’t even remember their names…...so how can I be bitter????

You have to act civilly and this kind of attitude will single out you friends.

Hm…...I think that we have a different understanding what boundary means. I was honest with you when I thanked your for a conversation. I wrote that I my mind was focused on more interesting things than talking about sex. People don’t talk about it…..but enjoying experiencing it. I spent enough time to talk about it so that don’t blame me but find others to continue a free flow of communication.

[osho]

.. if you think that women welcome having a partner who has several sexual partners, don’t you think that you waste your time on the forum. Your life should be very busy to accommodate them.
And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste.

I hope that I expressed myself clearly and that you would respect that.

Think how lowly you have vilified me and is not this reflective of the world or culture you were born and grown up and the environment that programmed you?

[ftil]

Think how lowly you have vilified me and is not this reflective of the world or culture you were born and grown up and the environment that programmed you?

LOL! I can tell you that your responses are a perfect example why many friendships not mentioning relationships fall apart. Maturity requires that we respect when others say no. We don’t push or manipulate to get what we want.

[osho]

And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste.

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Madam, your decency is born of something preposterous and you claim your self mature, maybe in age but not in thought and your bringing up and your experiences with males could be cold and that is why I always feel you fail to make relationships with humans. I see you always in a temper and talk obnoxiously, the way you use repellent words as quoted above speak up amply up the very mood you are in. Or else you would never have spewed out such words. In fact not only you your culture and your background could account for what comes from you.

[ftil]

Madam, your decency is born of something preposterous and you claim your self mature, maybe in age but not in thought and your bringing up and your experiences with males could be cold and that is why I always feel you fail to make relationships with humans. I see you always in a temper and talk obnoxiously, the way you use repellent words as quoted above speak up amply up the very mood you are in. Or else you would never have spewed out such words. In fact not only you your culture and your background could account for what comes from you.

LOL! It is getting more interesting. You are switching to another manipulative behavior- attack. And the only reason you are doing it is the fact that I lost my interest to continue discussion with you. When you mature, you will learn that not everybody likes us and accepts us. People have a free choice with whom they interact and associate. Please don’t forget that like attracts alike. I don’t have anything in common with you and I honestly said that.

I see you in a temper

…..LOL! Well, I must agree that I have zero tolerance for manipulative behaviors and I call it out loud. I appreciate respect. It wouldn’t be any problem, if you respected my needs to end our conversation. There are so many people on the forum who may be willing to continue. It is as simple as that.

Why I always feel you fail to make relationships with humans…

…….You mean that I fail making friendships with you. You are absolutely right …... I was polite and honest when thanked you for our conversation. Rather than wasting your time and mine, why don’t you look for like minded people to talk to.

Enjoy the Litnet.

[osho]

And if you impregnated a few of them……you really wouldn’t have time to waste.

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I do not want any further trashy arguments and I simply want you to illuminate the one I have quoted. If you are a dignified lady let me know what you meant by the above quote. I have quoted it several times and you always take an excuse to skip / cover up this point.

[ftil]

I do not want any further trashy arguments and I simply want you to illuminate the one I have quoted. If you are a dignified lady let me know what you meant by the above quote. I have quoted it several times and you always take an excuse to skip / cover up this point.

It was no I who moved to trashy arguments. I politely thanked you for our conversation. That all.

You should have know that when you have sex with women…they may get pregnant. And if you like to have multiple sexual relationships…you may impregnate a few of them. Then you would be busy with no time to waste and no time for a forum. I didn’t expect that it was so difficult to figure it out.

I hope that we may end our conversation for good.