We Need A Revolution In Literature!

[Darcy88]

What does that matter? There have been many different races that have been victim to much worse enormities than slavery. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by getting specific, but many of them happened to be predominately white. Yes maybe not in America, but that does not matter. We are talking about humanity after all.

I'll admit that it is not just as bad. Normally when I say what I said in that post I say "almost". It is still a bad path to go down. You are still rationalizing discrimination.

I'm a glutton for punishment....

What the African slaves had to endure in America is perhaps unrivalled in terms of harshness and degradation throughout the history of mankind, excepting the holocaust of course. Maybe you are not aware of how they were captured, shipped, kept, hunted, lynched. You must not be. Predominantly white? Oh please do elaborate. I could use a chuckle.

I'm rationalizing discrimination? If I were American I may have voted for Obama just because he's black. Am I racist? No. I'm white myself. My friends and family are white. Most of the people I admire are white. But a black man getting elected president of the United States is a beautiful, significant thing.

[Darcy88]

And what does slavery matter?

Need I even retort? I should delete my last response. You slew yourself with this statement.

[Bewlay Brother]

So you want to think in terms of stereotypes, but you know that if you actually employ stereotypes in this discussion you'll get your a$$ handed to you so you use a television show which is really a collection of stock characters as the basis of your argument? That's really, really, really stupid.



Since most of your beef is with gay culture, can we assume that this comment on a David Bowie avatar is your attempt at a douchey jab?

You obviously aren't a very big David Bowie fan. The Bewlay Brothers is the greatest song ever written, and it just happens to be by, David Bowie.

I have written 6 short stories about experiencing David Bowie music.

You should watch The Man Who Fell to the Earth. It stars David Bowie and is much better than the labrinth.

And my beef with homosexuality? Seriously?

[JuniperWoolf]

You obviously aren't a very big David Bowie fan. The Bewlay Brothers is the greatest song ever written, and it just happens to be by, David Bowie.

I have written 6 short stories about experiencing David Bowie music.

You should watch The Man Who Fell to the Earth. It stars David Bowie and is much better than the labrinth.

Okay good, it seemed like a dick move.

And my beef with homosexuality? Seriously?

Seriously what? You're going to have to address the first half of my post, because you seem to want to discuss reality as it appears on television which is just a waste of everyone's time.

Also I could respond to your beef against abortion but I've already spent a lot of my litnet time writing a pretty decent reply to anything you might say, here.

[Darcy88]

And what does slavery matter?

No one should even engage Bewlay anymore. He actually said this. I know, hard to believe. But there it is.

[Bewlay Brother]

I'm a glutton for punishment....

What the African slaves had to endure in America is perhaps unrivalled in terms of harshness and degradation throughout the history of mankind, excepting the holocaust of course. Maybe you are not aware of how they were captured, shipped, kept, hunted, lynched. You must not be. Predominantly white? Oh please do elaborate. I could use a chuckle.

I'm rationalizing discrimination? If I were American I may have voted for Obama just because he's black. Am I racist? No. I'm white myself. My friends and family are white. Most of the people I admire are white. But a black man getting elected president of the United States is a beautiful, significant thing.

You have no damn clue about enormities of mankind. I'm proud of you knowing about the Holocaust, but there are many genocides worse than that even.

The concept of not treating human beings differently because of their skin color is larger than any catastrophe. Am I being idealistic? Yes. But there is nothing wrong with that.

"But a black man getting elected president of the United States is a beautiful, significant thing." - you are misrepresenting my argument. I never contested this. Your side of the argument right now is defending discrimination of whites because blacks have been mistreated in the past. You are not defending "a black man being president of the US a beautiful thing" because I never opposed that.

It is a bad path to rationalize discrimination. What if a man had his wife and daughters raped and dismembered by 6 black man? Would he be any less justified to resent black people than you are by voting for someone solely because they are black? Using your logic, he is more justified, as he has been negatively affected by that specific race worse than the average person voting for Obama (for being black).

If the need to not discriminate hinges on whether or not someone has been hurt in the past, then really you are getting away from humanity.

[Darcy88]

And what does slavery matter? There have been many different races that have been victim to much worse enormities than slavery. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by getting specific, but many of them happened to be predominately white. Yes maybe not in America, but that does not matter. We are talking about humanity after all.

It is a bad path to go down. You are still rationalizing discrimination.

The odd thing is that at one point you had it read "what does that matter?" Then you edited it to "what does slavery matter?" Did someone slip me a dose of some hallucinogen earlier? Is ignorance and insensitivity on so staggering a scale even possible? Apparently.

[Bewlay Brother]

No one should even engage Bewlay anymore. He actually said this. I know, hard to believe. But there it is.

You jerk. Way to take something completely out of context.

[Bewlay Brother]

The odd thing is that at one point you had it read "what does that matter?" Then you edited it to "what does slavery matter?" Did someone slip me a dose of some hallucinogen earlier? Is ignorance and insensitivity on so staggering a scale even possible? Apparently.

That is because originally the second paragraph was the first paragraph. I added a first paragraph, and I needed to specify slavery because it would have been confusing otherwise.

Since blacks are allowed to discriminate more than whites because of slavery, then Jews also should be able to discriminate much much more than blacks. And then Kulaks. And then Chinese. And so on and so on and so on.

[Bewlay Brother]

Okay good, it seemed like a dick move.



Seriously what? You're going to have to address the first half of my post, because you seem to want to discuss reality as it appears on television which is just a waste of everyone's time.

Also I could respond to your beef against abortion but I've already spent a lot of my litnet time writing a pretty decent reply to anything you might say, here.

I'm talking about the people who are guilty of what I was talking about. Dehumanizing gays. There are people guilty of that. Not everyone who is pro-gay marriage is guilty of that. Like me for instance. There are many who are, and those are the people I was talking about. Kurt and the makers of Glee are guilty of it, so I talked about them.

[Darcy88]

You have no damn clue about enormities of mankind. I'm proud of you knowing about the Holocaust, but there are many genocides worse than that even.

The concept of not treating human beings differently because of their skin color is larger than any catastrophe. Am I being idealistic? Yes. But there is nothing wrong with that.

"But a black man getting elected president of the United States is a beautiful, significant thing." - you are misrepresenting my argument. I never contested this. Your side of the argument right now is defending discrimination of whites because blacks have been mistreated in the past. You are not defending "a black man being president of the US a beautiful thing" because I never opposed that.

It is a bad path to rationalize discrimination. What if a man had his wife and daughters raped and dismembered by 6 black man? Would he be any less justified to resent black people than you are by voting for someone solely because they are black? Using your logic, he is more justified, as he has been negatively affected by that specific race worse than the average person voting for Obama (for being black).

If the need to not discriminate hinges on whether or not someone has been hurt in the past, then really you are getting away from humanity.

How many barns did you have to raid to gather enough straw to stuff together this straw-man? You are completely disregarding the context. Black people were so marginalized in the US that it sent shockwaves when a black woman went to sit at the back of a bus. Think about that.

It is the inverse of racism to elect a black man president solely based on his skin colour. If someone voted for Obama out of hatred for the white race, then yes, that is discrimination. But I'm sure many of those who voted for Obama were happy too when they voted for Clinton.

I shouldn't even be answering you. You said "what does slavery matter." You need say no more.

[Bewlay Brother]

The odd thing is that at one point you had it read "what does that matter?" Then you edited it to "what does slavery matter?" Did someone slip me a dose of some hallucinogen earlier? Is ignorance and insensitivity on so staggering a scale even possible? Apparently.

Blacks were considered 3/5ths a human being.

The Nazis stopped burning them and buried them instead because they figured it cost too much to buy the gasoline to burn thousands of them at a time.

So that must give Jews so so so so so much leeway when it comes to discriminating! They can practically walk up to a German and spit in their face! Hell, maybe even more!

[Darcy88]

That is because originally the second paragraph was the first paragraph. I added a first paragraph, and I needed to specify slavery because it would have been confusing otherwise.

No, sorry. That explanation does not cut it, especially since you continue to attempt to downplay the horror of African enslavement in America. When I read one description of how the slaves were transported in the hulls of the ships, in spaces so small they could not turn over, FOR WEEKS, many of them going insane as a result, I literally felt the urge to vomit.

[Bewlay Brother]

How many barns did you have to raid to gather enough straw to stuff together this straw-man? You are completely disregarding the context. Black people were so marginalized in the US that it sent shockwaves when a black woman went to sit at the back of a bus. Think about that.

It is the inverse of racism to elect a black man president solely based on his skin colour. If someone voted for Obama out of hatred for the white race, then yes, that is discrimination. But I'm sure many of those who voted for Obama were happy too when they voted for Clinton.

I shouldn't even be answering you. You said "what does slavery matter." You need say no more.

The context I said "What does slavery matter?" was the equivalent of me saying "What does slavery matter?" when having an argument with someone about what the best song from the Beatles was. It is completely irrelevant because we are talking about humanity, which is not influenced by bad things have happened because bad things have always happened and always will happen so if bad things that happened influenced humanity than humanity would be one ****ed up and obsolete thing.

I'll admit that it is not just as bad. Usually when I say that I say "almost". I forgot this time. It is still a bad path to go down though.

[Darcy88]

Blacks were considered 3/5ths a human being.

The Nazis stopped burning them and buried them instead because they figured it cost too much to buy the gasoline to burn thousands of them at a time.

So that must give Jews so so so so so much leeway when it comes to discriminating! They can practically walk up to a German and spit in their face! Hell, maybe even more!

What are you on about now? Oh, the Jews suffered more so the Blacks can't complain? Really?! You are vampirically draining from me what little faith in humanity I still have.