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    Paulclem, I believe in the veracity of the four noble truths and in the efficacy of the eightfold path, but I don't accept the doctrines of karma and reincarnation. The Buddha said to think things through yourself, question them, take nothing on anyone else's authority. The four noble truths and the eightfold path beautifully withstand such a test. Karma and recincarnation do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darcy88 View Post
    Paulclem, I believe in the veracity of the four noble truths and in the efficacy of the eightfold path, but I don't accept the doctrines of karma and reincarnation. The Buddha said to think things through yourself, question them, take nothing on anyone else's authority. The four noble truths and the eightfold path beautifully withstand such a test. Karma and recincarnation do not.
    I recently met an English Geshe who said that he had previously, whilst still a monk, not believed in reincarnation, and so I understand your position. Quite right too to question.

    I merely point out that your position on the Four Noble Truths is missing what is the usually accepted context. With the prospect of only one life, I'd probably agree with you and try to make the very best of this life within the confines of what is achievable. When you add the idea of Karma, Reincarnation and countless lives into the equation, the potential of this life, as opposed to the prospect of countless future lives and the potential for unimaginable suffering, makes the prospect of ending suffering the logical choice.

    Another well known western monk - I forget his name - recently wrote a book in which he explained hw he came to appreciate the reality of reincarnation. He worked for the office of HH The Dalai Lama, and studied for 20 years. We in the west usually consider someone who has devoted themselves at a high level to the pursuit and study of something as expert. What he realised was that in comparing himself to the other Lamas, he was way way behind them in their development of things like wisdom and compassion. He concluded that they must have begun a long time - lives long time - before he had. Anyway, that's his proof. I like the story though.
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