Ok...if that's the way you want to be.Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi
Ok...if that's the way you want to be.
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
Wow. Does that mean homosexuals should press on to be "better" people? For the record, they are human beings, not abominations. It doesn't hurt Christians, or their god, or anyone else for two people to love each other. Yet another reason I am not Christian. I could never lump people into groups to hate. I don't even hate Christians.
That is exactly what I was saying. No one should be hating anyone. NOBODY is an abomination, not even those who don't like books.
But it seems that there are some posts in this thread that labeled me as a fundamentalist that hates homosexuals. I do not hate anyone. ...and...yes, I think that those who practice homosexuality should try to strive to be "better" people, just like the rest of us. They have to make choices of who they are going to be, just like I myself do. Why should someone else get defensive about something that I believe? Does it hurt an atheist that I believe that dinosaurs have coexisted with mankind?
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
It hurts people when others reject science and then scorn people for what they perceive as poor life choices, without being open to education changing that cruelly judgmental mindset.
Science has been very subjective. Am I a bad person because I choose to believe those scientists that interpret the evidence differently? Am I scorned for my life choice in being a Christian?
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
You do realize that we're in a religious texts forum in a thread entitled "Why I don't believe in God" and that there are, in this forum, threads with names similar to "Why is God such a jerk" and "Catholic priests involved in slave trade." Can you not see the irony Mutatis?
Should it hurt when others reject rationality and then scorn persons for their belief in God without even considering the issue and persist in the cruel and unjustified judgment that such a belief is a delusion?
Hypocrisy is a *****!
Don't quite get this one. Who chooses what they're attracted to? It's a gut thing, like taste in music, food, whatever. We're all wired a certain way.
You also said earlier that you would never call a homosexual an abomination, but that you believed homosexuality may be an abomination. How does that work?
Some years ago I worked at a nonprofit that offered services to homeless teens. I was staggered when I learned that a large proportion of them were homosexuals who had been thrown out by their parents upon coming out to them and were now living on the streets. That's an abomination.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Mahatma Gandhi
I see the irony. I've always wondered why the atheists posts in the thread "Why I believe in God" so much. It seems that when someone believes in God that it threatens their disbelief.
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying here...I'm just saying that we ALL need to be better people. I'm not arguing the homosexual issue here. I'm not going to use this thread to defend my beliefs about homosexuality. Just let it go.
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
I can see the irony. One could argue that the OP is a troll post. I was just giving Juniper a tip. Maybe calling you a troll is unfair, but I can't figure you out, and it's frustrating. I can't tell if you are out to just push people's buttons or not. You've gotten me quite riled up before, and I don't plan on letting that happen again, and since Juniper is one of the most fun posters on this forum, and a friend, I don't want to see her get banned because of arguing with you. Sorry for the run-on.
Well, this is the "Why I Don't Believe in God" thread. So, I guess I, as an atheist, should be wondering why a person who does believe in God is posting here so much . . . but I don't, because this is a forum where we exchange ideas, ya know?
Last edited by Mutatis-Mutandis; 12-06-2011 at 12:09 PM.
When I was an atheist, I was worse than anyone in these fora. I was a militant atheist before militant atheism was cool. I could outlast anyone on the subject of God. Now, I feel horrible about the things I said to various Christians, who ranged from relatives to ministers. In retrospect, the interesting thing was that I, who ostensibly did not believe in God, was so interested in discussing Him. For me, that sort of behavior was a sort of searching. The truth was, I think, that more than NOT believing in God, I was angry that I couldn't believe in Him. None think about God more than atheists--at least, none more than I.
I didn't scorn anyone for believing in god. I am saddened by groups of people inflicting cruelty on others because their group tells them that's what's right. It's just very sad to adhere to something that tells you what to do, when that something is telling you to hate.
This is not only in regard to homosexuality. Yesterday my mother told me she justified my brother's slow, agonizing death (a horrible tragedy for her and our whole family) by saying he did bad things in his life so it was right for god to make him atone for them. The bad things he did were smoking pot and hanging around with people she didn't like. For that she hates her dead son, but she thinks she loves him, and that it was right for him to be tortured to death.
It's dangerous for people to allow a religion to tell them who to judge and how to judge them. It creates a mental sickness that does endanger us all.
It's dangerous for people to allow a discredited worldview to be the arbiter of truth. It creates a mental sickness that endangers us all.
It doesn't sound like you were ever really an atheist. That anger you're talking about seems like a wanting to believe in something, whether it be God or not God. I, for one, don't feel that way. I feel happy and free, so long as no one tries to hurt me for not joining a group. Maybe you were a Christian in your heart and mind all along and had an inner struggle with that. I won't presume to know. Generally though, I can tell you that a lot of atheists are happy to be without religion.
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