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    Quote Originally Posted by YesNo View Post
    It's interesting that they wrote pronunciation guides for speaking Latin. I guess that would be useful in determining how it sounded back then.
    Maybe less interesting than it originally seems, we still write "pronunciation guides" in English, only we call them phonology text books.

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    So how good are these pronunciation guides?

    Getting back to Metamorphoses, I was reading about Pythagoras in the last book and was surprised to find he was a vegetarian. All I actually knew about him previously was the Pythagorean Theorem and something about how his school found irrational numbers so I guess I had no basis for any surprise one way or the other.

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    Hi, this is my first post, and it's a brief response to the Veronese image of Perseus and Andromeda.

    I would like to suggest the following link:
    http://www.oup.com/us/companion.webs...le_Chapter.pdf

    This is freely (and fully legally) available 'Perseus' Chapter from an excellent textbook, Classical Mythology. The chapter is available as a sample PDF direct from the publisher.

    One point it makes is that Perseus was unusual in having received the help of two deities, Athena and Hermes. One of the special attributes he obtained was the scimitar, the curved sword with which he defeats the monster.

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    Also, there's Latin via Ovid. I find the books extremely helpful, and I would also like to try the CDs.
    http://wsupress.wayne.edu/books/378/...id---Audio-CDs

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrysandison View Post

    One point it makes is that Perseus was unusual in having received the help of two deities, Athena and Hermes. One of the special attributes he obtained was the scimitar, the curved sword with which he defeats the monster.
    Hm....mythology is full of unusual things. Perseus first obtained an invisible helm, magical sword, and winged sandals. He was lucky.
    But he was a son of Zeus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrysandison View Post
    Also, there's Latin via Ovid. I find the books extremely helpful, and I would also like to try the CDs.
    http://wsupress.wayne.edu/books/378/...id---Audio-CDs
    That looks like an interesting way to learn Latin. I wonder if there is a Sanskrit Via The Bhagavad Gita.

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    Hm....mythology is full of unusual things. Perseus first obtained an invisible helm, magical sword, and winged sandals. He was lucky.
    But he was a son of Zeus.
    To work with this thread, I'd like to keep responding to other people. So here are three more images of Perseus.

    The first is a gouache by Edward Burne-Jones, The Birth of Pegasus and Chrysaor. Ovid has Perseus recounts this event at the end of Book IV.


    The remaining two images are of the great bronze statue of Perseus bearing Medusa's head, in Florence.


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    Hm....mythology is full of unusual things. Perseus first obtained an invisible helm, magical sword, and winged sandals. He was lucky.
    But he was a son of Zeus.
    I'm posting another reply because of something I just noticed on the second picture of the Cellini statue.

    The angle the photo was taken from makes it possible to look at the detail of the helmet Perseus is wearing.

    Cellini has sculpted the helmet with an animal crest. Apparently, the animal is a lion - but, curiously, it is decapitated. The headless body of the lion is sitting there upright, but its head is placed quite separately in front of the body, on the same level as its feet.

    This ironic image of decapitation, within the helmet of Perseus himself, reinforces the impression created by the similarity in the faces of Perseus and his victim Medusa: it's as if the distance between the victor and the vanquished is alarmingly short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrysandison View Post
    I'm posting another reply because of something I just noticed on the second picture of the Cellini statue.

    The angle the photo was taken from makes it possible to look at the detail of the helmet Perseus is wearing.

    Cellini has sculpted the helmet with an animal crest. Apparently, the animal is a lion - but, curiously, it is decapitated. The headless body of the lion is sitting there upright, but its head is placed quite separately in front of the body, on the same level as its feet.

    This ironic image of decapitation, within the helmet of Perseus himself, reinforces the impression created by the similarity in the faces of Perseus and his victim Medusa: it's as if the distance between the victor and the vanquished is alarmingly short.
    Thanks. I didn’t notice it. I have noticed that when I look at paintings and artifacts again and again I can see details I have missed before. It is amazing how our mind works.
    Lion is present in religions and in many forms. For example, Mithra had a lion head as well as Egyptian Goddess Isis and Sechmet. But the lion motive is also present in depictions of monsters or beasts like chimera or sphinx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garrysandison View Post
    This ironic image of decapitation, within the helmet of Perseus himself, reinforces the impression created by the similarity in the faces of Perseus and his victim Medusa: it's as if the distance between the victor and the vanquished is alarmingly short.
    Now that you mention it the noses and mouths of Medusa and Perseus do look alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YesNo View Post
    Now that you mention it the noses and mouths of Medusa and Perseus do look alike.
    I didn’t pay attention to their faces. It is true. Medusa was a female monster but she doesn't look like a female. I have noticed the theme of hermaphrodite in mythology and religion. I have also notice a ram.

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    This is just a question regarding NUDITY in these subjects.
    I wonder why for example Adam and Yve are portrayed without clothes.
    Most of the the Greek mythology is also portrayed in the nude.
    Cupid/ Angels are all depicted to be clothless as well Jesus on the Cross is topless.
    Is there some kind of similarity do you think between an Adam and Jesus in the sense that they are both topless and even in the nude .
    Does nudity indicate that they have that in common, that they are similar?
    Is there a particular reason why?
    My assumptions would be that these figures, important enouhg, would want to be depicted in ''decency' way if we are to revere them.
    Or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    I wonder why for example Adam and Yve are portrayed without clothes.
    You do know the story, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cacian View Post
    This is just a question regarding NUDITY in these subjects.
    I wonder why for example Adam and Yve are portrayed without clothes.
    Most of the the Greek mythology is also portrayed in the nude.
    Cupid/ Angels are all depicted to be clothless as well Jesus on the Cross is topless.
    Is there some kind of similarity do you think between an Adam and Jesus in the sense that they are both topless and even in the nude .
    Does nudity indicate that they have that in common, that they are similar?
    Is there a particular reason why?
    My assumptions would be that these figures, important enouhg, would want to be depicted in ''decency' way if we are to revere them.
    Or not?
    Thanks for reading.
    I suspect much of the nudity is for the erotic appeal of the art object.

    Regarding Jesus, however, that he is portrayed with a loin cloth is likely done out of respect. I suspect he was crucified nude. This would increase the humiliation not only in having the genitals of the condemned on display but in the public display of defecation and urination: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf View Post
    You do know the story, right?
    Just about yes.
    why do you ask?
    it may never try
    but when it does it sigh
    it is just that
    good
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