This is all that I'll commit to when it comes to religion (I'd list this sentence as my "religious beliefs" if there were room for it on a questionnaire). Everything else means pretty much nothing to me, or at least nothing that I'd bother to discuss.Originally Posted by OrphanPip
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"Personal note: When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six, I did. At first the brightness was overwhelming, but I had seen that before. I kept looking, forcing myself not to blink, and then the brightness began to dissolve. My pupils shrunk to pinholes and everything came into focus and for a moment I understood. The doctors didn't know if my eyes would ever heal."
-Pi
Kant and I agree that organised religion is morally repugnant.
I don’t mind the idea of God at all, as long as it remains just that - an idea. I can never understand why humankind has taken the notion of God so seriously. It would be brilliant if God had remained just a curious imagining … something to wonder about and that’s it. No doctrine, no dogma, just a sublime idea that can never become Truth because we know we can never know.
The reason why I don't believe in God is that I can't love God. I don't have that love in me, I think. I was brought up as a Catholic, my family is Catholic, I attend a Catholic University in which we are required to take theology exams, some of my best friends are deeply religious. I would believe, if I could. Probably, according to Protestantism, this means that I'm not among the chosen ones. When I was 12, right after confirmation, I realised that I had no idea why I was doing all that. It was a mere automatism, so I stopped going to Church and praying. I feel there's so much to be said about the religious upbringing of children, but that's another topic.
I'm glad this topic came up, because I think it's something I need to elaborate on, and I am interested in other people points of view and experiences on the subject.
words alone are certain good
I always found explanations of non-belief kind of an explanation after the fact. Finding reasons is always like that, reasoning is not the object, but the speech about the object.
So I wouldn't consider the reasoning behind it particularly important, as surely most people don't find the reason behind belief particularly engaging either.
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Dear Mutatis,
re: Why I Don't Believe In God
At least, a benevolent one. . . .
Aids
Starving children
Children who develop cancer
War
Hate
Katy Perry
Do you believe in Hitler?
Pavane.
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Do I believe in Hitler? Of course. What a silly question. Now, if you meant "Do you agree with what Hitler did," then no. Are you suggesting that just because I didn't list him I endorse him? There's thousands of things I could have listed.
To anyone who isn't clear: this thread was jokingly made. Bien suggested it was time to make a "Why I Don't Believe In God" thread in the "Why I Believe In God" thread, hence why I made it.
Not such a silly statement. You said you didn't believe in God, presumably because of the bad things he is responsible for in your list. So, Hitler did equally bad things so I just wondered if you were prepared to believe in him too. Your criterion for belief was whether someone does bad things, you see.
On that basis, only good people exist, or at least you are prepared only to believe in them...
Oh please, you're being deliberately obtuse. Implicit in MM's post is the conception that God is a benevolent creator, so his point is that he doesn't believe in the concept of the Christian God because he doubts the benevolence of such a being who would allow the things he listed.
"If the national mental illness of the United States is megalomania, that of Canada is paranoid schizophrenia."
- Margaret Atwood
Reaching there, aren't you?
The things on my list do not require belief, as they, without a doubt, exist, which makes your whole question and post irrelevant. A better question (though still stupid) would have been, "So, you don't include Hitler in your list of things that make you not believe in a benevolent God, so is Hitler okay with you?" But you asked "Do you believe in Hitler," which is stupid, because he undoubtedly existed. If you asked the second of the questions, I would have once again pointed out how there are thousands of things that were not listed that could have been.
Also, that you went to Hitler, the biggest analogical cliche in the book, is telling.
Frankly, I don't believe in God at all, so I don't believe he is responsible for anything.
The post was a joke. Get over it, and quit reading so much into it.
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I can answer that.
It started to go sour when the alleged god enabled people to live after death.
Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."
Anon
I blame whingeing farmers myself.
For the topic starter! The reasons, are not enough to reject the existance of God. the topic name should be why i dont like God if we take or want to go with these reasons. moreover i have posted and explained why sufferings and pleasures are set side by side by Lord.
but if you insisted for the same topic name then for this thread i have many arguments which are given by well known personalities to reject God's existance. like someone said " i dont beleive in God whose data is not available." nice argument. someone said" i dont beleive in God coz no one saw Him" also very nice argument! Socialogist said " We need a God to establish a good society" its also nice argement it means that people just draw a portrait of God to take shelter.
Anyone see air? anti protons? bacteria ?
God declared Quran his data. and own its every single word. prove any one fact wrong then u r free from God's existance.
short time to write more. but i have written a lot already in different posts. also my teacher words are clearing the thoughts with arguments/logics/reasons in2 two threads which i started.
there was a person who was given a title of the father of ignorance and arrogance who was also the head of his tribe. He said to other ignorants/egoistic/arrogant people i know He is right he is absolutly right. We all know he never spoke a single lie. whose chracter is above all to doubt. but if we admit him he will be the head. and we will lost the leading position. it will be shameful to accept the truth and change our self. people are sticky what they have owned. anyway
Regards
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