We're talking as though there's a universal standard of beauty. Is there seriously no one here who would find themselves attracted to a round, buxom woman or a grizzled and "experienced" male?
Maybe it's just my admiration clouding my senses, but I would be his concubine:
And look! Look!:
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Lol I realised most of the ones who comment here are guys XD In Asia I don't see a lot of public nudity. I'm sure guys would want to have a lot more of them but honestly my friend who moved to Cambridge says that she can see girls with half of their asses exposed so I really feel that you guys who live in Western countries already have a lot of share of public nudity, seriously :P How much more nude do you want? XD
Sometimes as a female I dress very skimpily and some people do that here too but I've never really seen people who dress that nudely around here. People could see my cleavage yesterday but I'm sure how I dressed is not even close to how some people dress.
Since people are mostly still conservative, I think people here should be less repressed and dress more sexily and openly :P but then I'd get a lot of rivals xP I suppose in here public nudity is not enough but it's totally alright for the girls :P Let's leave the guys to their own imaginations XD
LOL haha I totally won't be attracted to a grizzled and experienced male. Even though he's experienced, I'd prefer being with a young guy who's not very experienced. Charm is what matters to me (so the guy doesn't have to be so hot) and that grizzled man doesn't have that charm :POriginally Posted by JuniperWoolf
We're talking as though there's a universal standard of beauty. Is there seriously no one here who would find themselves attracted to a round, buxom woman or a grizzled and "experienced" male?
Maybe it's just my admiration clouding my senses, but I would be his concubine:
And look! Look!:
I am not attracted to young himbos. So I would be totally attracted to a been there done that so what can I discover next kind of guy.
Before sunlight can shine through a window, the blinds must be raised - American Proverb
The "art" that I call disgusting would be considered disgusting by any normal person. Even you are aware when you put up something that is really offensive to many people, and even to yourself.
I don't understand why many people get a charge out of being offensive to other people. So much of what people do, the way they dress and so forth, is simply for the purpose of being offensive. This is something I don't understand.
I don't mind looking at Titian's Venus. My problem that I have, which may be my own personal problem, is that often there is so much at once that it overwhelms my circuits somehow.
I bolded that top sentence. Why is it that "Puritans" aren't supposed to be in America? Why are we supposed to have all porn and no Puritans? To me the politics (which are totally disgusting to me) is a separate issue. But why are the Mennonites, Hutterites and Amish to be eliminated?It would seem that such Puritanism still remains a part of American culture... in spite of the growth of pornography. Indeed... considering figures such as Jerry Falwell, it seems that this Puritanism is something of a bizarre for of hypocrisy in which certain "holier-than-thou" individuals would dictate sexual morals to others which they feel free to dispense with themselves. The Attorney General, John Ashcroft, famously covered the figure of Justice (how sybolic) with blue curtains rather than allow himself to be photographed before a Neo-Classical figure with a bared breast. As Varene stated earlier, extreme violence in films is afforded less censorship that nudity. Someone noted a while back that you can blow up a breast in the movies with impunity, but don't even think about showing someone caressing a breast without facing that possible NC-17 rating. Around the time of Ashcroft's great breast cover-up there were discussions about the possibility of Michelangelo's David traveling to the US for exhibition at the National Gallery. The discussions never amounted to anything... no doubt in part owing to Ashcroft's public statement that if the David did enter the US it would need to be appropriately fitted with a fig leaf or loin cloth.
I HATE porn. Do I have a right to hate porn? It's fine with me if you LOVE porn. I don't care at all what you do in your bedroom. In fact, I have no wish to change anything you do on the forum. I want you to do what you want and I want to do what I want. I do learn a lot from you. In fact, all of this debate has been educational. But in my daily life there is no porn. I don't know why I hate porn so much, but it goes against the fiber of my being. I'm very grateful that where I live there are no strip clubs or prostitutes or anything like that.
I don't have a problem with nudity or sex in movies, as long as it is nice and isn't deviant. Violence, abuse, and degradation goes against the fiber of my being.
I'm also disgusted by all forms of self-mutilation - tattoos, piercings. I don't want to stop people from doing it, but it disturbs me and I don't like to see it if I can avoid it. If I come here and see this trash, I have my favorite pictures on a blog on another tab and I just click there to wipe it out of my mind.
But I feel that I have as much a right to hate this stuff as you do to love it.
Another naked swimmer! I've never swam naked, well as I've not really had the opportunity, but it does sound pretty good. I'm missing out on something here.
A teacher friend of mine once told me that he had took a group of boys mountain biking during the summer, as he regularly does, and that he also sometimes takes them skinny dipping in a lake.
"Jesus" I told him "you can't do that, you'll get arrested".
"Oh, we're not hurting anything" he says, "all these silly PC rules..."
Quality.
Neely, you are missing out! I can't believe you've never done this. Until I tried it I would have thought that it wasn't much different than swimming the usual way, but it really is different and wonderful, and very free.
Taking those kids to skinny dip is great! Kids shouldn't be taught to be ashamed of their bodies and not be allowed to have fun.
Actually, I've done it a few times. When my boss goes out of town (sure hope no one who knows me is reading this) I "house sit" for him, and he has an indoor pool that is very nice. The water doesn't need to be warm like a bathtub, but just not cold. Now that I'm thinking of it, these kind of sensory experiences, as memories, are great meditations during times of stress. When I'm stressed in life, I just switch my attention to one of these memories and it is just like I'm there. Being in water is absolutely one of my favorite things.
It's funny though that cold water is the worst form of torture for me.
Edit: As I look that over, what I wrote above - that sounds like one heck of a rant - and I didn't intend it to come out that way! I'm not upset
Last edited by Vonny; 09-04-2011 at 04:37 AM.
The end of beauty is nudity and we cannot satisfy ourselves until we can see somebody unclothed. This is somewhere entrenched strongly at the back of our nature though we have volumes of arguments to negate this fact. If you are in your maturity and youthfulness and in good health you may like instinctively to see somebody in their nudity. That is why most youths or teens are after pornographic literature. I want to put forth my objective ideas here and want to keep from being judgmental.
Even a child loves to see a nude posture and I am not supporting the Freudian notion of it. All I simply want to say is it is our natural state, the primal human disposition, un-masqueraded. We shamed into defining, confining within theological theorems and go beyond the what others will say paradigm you will love to expose yourself. This is a fact we choose to keep to ourselves.
Vonny, I could write a book about the themes that you have touched on here but all I will say now is that you have more common sense in your little finger than many of the contributors to these forums.The western world has become vindictive and nihilistic by using the excesses of the past to justify its own excess. This is why, as Varenne said, there is an aura of guarded hostility about people nowadays. The libertines may be up in arms at what you and have written but don't let them upset you; common sense always survives a warped view.Edit: As I look that over, what I wrote above - that sounds like one heck of a rant - and I didn't intend it to come out that way! I'm not upset
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
But the thing about Vonny's argument, is no one has ever forced people to live lives of pleasure. But people have always been prohibited to live lives of pleasure.
No one is saying dress like this, and smoke and drink and have wild parties with Donkeys and Nazi attired participants with whips and cages.
But what right have others to prohibit someone from drinking and smoking and living for pleasure.
Let us not forget that the West which in Brian's view is chaotically whimpering in its final susurrations as we all play our fiddle and indulge in every excess - that same west is still very repressive upon individual rights. Gay men and women still can't marry in many places, and declaring ones homosexuality bars one from ever having a successful career in a large amount of professions.
Not only that, but in most western countries prostitution is illegal, but what does this lead too - it mean the majority of prostitutes are slaves imported from eastern europe and africa, who live lives as slaves. If prostitution were legalized the "slave" trade would end, prostitutes would have rights and be guaranteed safety, and the STD spread would be much reduced due to government regulation. Also prostitutes can be taxed.
Certainly it is more just to allow prostitution to end the slave trade, but it is not "moral" so we do not do it. Doing what is just and doing what is perceived as puritanically "moral" is very different, and puritan morals have been major obstacles in the path of justice, freedom and equality all over the west.
osho, do you mind if I ask how old you are?
I am thirteen. Reading this, I find myself thinking that you have either totally forgotten your childhood, or you grew up in a very perverted place.
This is silly. For me it is not a matter of fat or thin, it's a health issue. Being a certain level of obese just looks very unhealthy. Likewise, being too thin can look unhealthy. There are people with obvious skin health issues and body flaws that I don't want to see naked. It's not a judgment of them other than to say I don't want to feel pity for them. I would rather interact clothed. Clothing protects our bodies from the elements. Nakedness, therefore, can be vulnerability in various environments. It can be vulnerability for people who may be prey to predators.
If everyone went around naked, and some cancer patients and people with skin and body trauma remained covered, wouldn't it then call more attention to the matter of them hiding their bodies? This thread has gone off the rails a bit. Perhaps someone should start a thread defining beauty. This one was just about preferences regarding public nudity, if I'm not mistaken.
Having been to quite a few nude beaches you'd be amazed at how nonsexual it can be. You often forget you're nude, after about 5 minutes it all wears off. People are also much more friendly. We normally hide behind clothes and social status as if they're armor.
If you meet someone in real life you can make a judgement about them based on how they're dressed, we do it every day. When everyone is naked, that is so much harder to do. I like to tell this story of an asian woman we met, asians of course age well in general but this woman was spry and fit and giggly and laughing all the time. She had the attitude of a 20 something. We all thought she was maybe 25. Truthfully she was a 41 year old corporate lawyer.
As for kids. I recall sitting at a topless beach in Italy. My wife was topless, there was perhaps an 11 year old boy walking by. I watched him because I thought for sure he'd sneak a peek, he didn't even glance down, he didn't care. And why should he, he had be coming to this beach probably his whole life and topless women were there every day. It was normal to him, not anything sexual or special.
As for body image as well, you'll see all types, all types. The saying goes, the people at the nude beach are the same people at your grocery store. It really does not become a big deal, very few of us probably think ourselves in possession of a perfect body, and as our flaws are accepted, we accept those of others. I've seen more than one amputee, more than one masectomy, all sorts of surgery scars, and scads of "interesting" piercings and tattoos.
The only person who stands out on a nude beach, is the person who is clothed.
Also, those of you expressing your deep adoration and desire to view children naked are just sick. Why would you love looking at naked children? If you have a mature sex drive, you should direct it at mature individuals, rather than innocent youths who never courted your attentions and wouldn't understand the ramifications of doing so.
Maybe I missed something but I don't see anyone who did. The closest was osho, who was suggesting that children love seeing nude postures and crave pornographic literature.
You are overreacting. No one expressed a desire to look at nude kids.
A naked kid, is rather neutral, I don't see the whole american fuss about having to cover up kids while they are at the beach or pool. A naked child, unlike a naked adult can never be revolting. They are just undeveloped little people frolicking about.
Assuming everyone is a pedophile or rapist or murderer, might be more safe, but it really kills social contact and any sense of warmth and understanding in a community.
The parents are quite embarrassed, however, when children express curiosity about genitalia, which they naturally will if exposed to them.
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