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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowni View Post
    To be honest, I can imagine many functions in the conception of God that would indicate minimalization, both conscient and unconscious, but I cannot say there is one way that will happen for everyone, such thing is built in the messure of subjectivity. Many people with conceive divinity as a lived experience, in face of which speech has not any real power, the word of those who practice scepticism are dismissed without consideration, as they're treated simply as mere words.

    In the internal logic of the discussion about faith it makes sense, and in the general balance of things, at least it works as an admission of the limits of argumentation and abstractions to make life choices. But I think the speech of faith is intrinsically an impaired speech, not necessarily in a negative connotation, but words themselves are not capable of leading to truth, because reality is only admitted by revelation.

    Anyhow, the conception of divinity for the believer isn't a consistent concept which last through time, it's actually a notion that shifts with the experience and knowledge of the believer; in the same way that theology incorporates new realities in their view of the words despite the fact they never move the core realities of their practice.
    The last bastion of faith is arrogance; and the last guard, ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    The last bastion of faith is arrogance; and the last guard, ignorance.
    Wow! That makes a great quote!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    The last bastion of faith is arrogance; and the last guard, ignorance.
    You could argue that modern scientificism works in the same argumentative basis that faith does, except it's aggressive and dismisses any kind of knowledge that cannot be put in speech. Which is to say, arrogance and ignorance are the basis for any human conviction, as soon as it pretends objectivity.
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    Faith's first worldly step is compassionate, while faithlessness is moved by disgust and contempt.
    Nothing resting in its own completeness
    Can have worth or beauty; but alone
    Because it leads and tends to farther sweetness,
    Fuller, higher, deeper than its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowni View Post
    , arrogance and ignorance are the basis for any human conviction, as soon as it pretends objectivity.
    I like this line!!
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    Man can reach for the stars but he will never reach heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    Man can reach for the stars but he will never reach heaven.
    Heaven is more dearer than stars and only meant for the faithful dear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    Man can reach for the stars but he will never reach heaven.

    You can probably find that in the bible
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowni View Post
    You can probably find that in the bible
    Not likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    Not likely.
    then, is it mere fantasizing??

    Blaming God, is it fair??? Sufi quotes...
    ''The creation is a mirror of Divine Qualities (sifat) and nothing can contain God except the heart of the faithful. Thus God manifests in the heart according to the capacity and ways the inner heart within the breasts of man perceives the Divine.''

    ''Human vision is myopic and hence his opinions based on the events of very small scale often lead to lose hope, to become ungrateful. This is because the grand mercy of the Most Merciful sometime is concealed within the trials and tribulations and it is the right of the Creator to test and try Her creation.''
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazHur View Post
    Blaming God, is it fair???'
    Him I will hate with all my heart if he does exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    Him I will hate with all my heart if he does exist.
    Ironically, I can note you hate Him or Her without even knowing whether He/She exists or not??
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    Quote Originally Posted by mazHur View Post
    Ironically, I can note you hate Him or Her without even knowing whether He/She exists or not??
    I think that He is better off dead, His life would be unbearable if He were alive. And if it wasn't, I'd make it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazHur View Post
    and it is the right of the Creator to test and try Her creation.''
    Pretty easy to say that from your computer screen in your upper middle class home. I wonder if people in the Congo feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    I think that He is better off dead, His life would be unbearable if He were alive. And if it wasn't, I'd make it so.
    unfortunately you sound too bitter without any reason. In fact in your inimical frustration towards the One you don't even know you are getting more and more flustered and losing your mind. And that's not expected of a sober, serious debater, is it??
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