Why do many women find 'the male body' ugly?

[LitNetIsGreat]

Some things in life are just wrong and that's one of them. I mean Lembit's wrong full-stop but I am refering to the gorgeous girl and rich fool scenario - jealous? Well yes damn it.

And I'll bet any number of American politicians envy him... or rather Europe's lack of Puritanism when it comes to anything sexual.

Oh, there's a bit of Puritanism going on with the American politicians then? The UK is quite uptight at times though (of course we are speaking generally...) but I think elsewhere in Europe there is greater scope for sexual liberalism for sure.

I think the points being made about evolution and mating may be the key though, it would be important for the male to be instantly attracted to a mate (ie on sight)so he could maximize his seed spreading , where as it would be important for a female to take a bit more time to choose her mate (ie observe if he would be a good provider first) - we females may even be programmed not to find men instantly visually attractive.

But that is not the same as saying we find your bodies ugly.

Good point. I dunno. I just suspect that women are not as obsessed as men when it comes to sex and are therefore just not that fussed. Again another generalisation, but I guess you can relate it back to reproduction again in the same way.

Boy, doesn't biology take all the fun and mysticism out of it all?

Edit: oh boy, just seen above, anyone fancy a punch up?

[Emil Miller]

Edit: oh boy, just seen above, anyone fancy a punch up?

I admit that it's annoying, but try to contain the violence even though this next photo might be seen as provocative.

[Lokasenna]

Ahem, Lembit isn't the only one with two nice ladies...



Joking aside, the girl on the left is a good friend; the one on the right is more of an aquaintance - I wouldn't try anything on with either of them, I'd get my head kicked in.

To return to the topic of the male body, I was having an interesting conversation the other day. Now, I'm of the opinion (and always have been) that I am not particularly physically attractive - tall, pale and gangly, with glasses and wild, mousey hair. And yet the other day I was with a group of friends, and the conversation turned to physical appearance and the desirability thereof - and, in response to a comment of mine along the above lines, one of my friends (who is gay and not single) commented that he'd always found me rather handsome. This was, to say the least, rather shocking to me - it was in no sense a proposition or anything, simply a statement of fact on his part. Then the other night at a formal dinner, I overheard a middle-age lady quietly comment on me to her male partner, saying "what a handsome young man." Again, this rather floored me - it is not a manner in which I think of myself, and I'm still minded to think them wrong.

Now, I freely accept that a middle-age woman and a young gay man might view the male body in a different way, but nonetheless this double-whammy has rather knocked the stuffing out of me. So the question I want to ask is this: is it really an issue of women not liking the male body, or men merely thinking that they don't? Is it more of a confidence issue than anything else?

[Vonny]

Ahem, Lembit isn't the only one with two nice ladies...



Joking aside, the girl on the left is a good friend; the one on the right is more of an aquaintance - I wouldn't try anything on with either of them, I'd get my head kicked in.

To return to the topic of the male body, I was having an interesting conversation the other day. Now, I'm of the opinion (and always have been) that I am not particularly physically attractive - tall, pale and gangly, with glasses and wild, mousey hair. And yet the other day I was with a group of friends, and the conversation turned to physical appearance and the desirability thereof - and, in response to a comment of mine along the above lines, one of my friends (who is gay and not single) commented that he'd always found me rather handsome. This was, to say the least, rather shocking to me - it was in no sense a proposition or anything, simply a statement of fact on his part. Then the other night at a formal dinner, I overheard a middle-age lady quietly comment on me to her male partner, saying "what a handsome young man." Again, this rather floored me - it is not a manner in which I think of myself, and I'm still minded to think them wrong.

Now, I freely accept that a middle-age woman and a young gay man might view the male body in a different way, but nonetheless this double-whammy has rather knocked the stuffing out of me. So the question I want to ask is this: is it really an issue of women not liking the male body, or men merely thinking that they don't? Is it more of a confidence issue than anything else?

Yes Lokasenna, it's a confidence issue!! Your perception can be a bit distorted, the same as mine

This is one thing I'm sure of, though.

[LitNetIsGreat]

Loka, I don't believe a word of that - they're just two of your many foxy chicks I bet. Medieval poetry gets them everytime!

[Vonny]

Loka, I don't believe a word of that - they're just two of your many foxy chicks I bet. Medieval poetry gets them everytime!

You've definitely got a point about the medieval poetry!

It makes me laugh that Lokasenna has this problem! It's the most ludicrous thing.

[LitNetIsGreat]

You've definitely got a point about the medieval poetry!

It makes me laugh that Lokasenna has this problem! It's the most ludicrous thing.

Absolutely. The chicks love the Beowulf talk (they also quite like the Wilde stuff as well, ha, ha, ha - [evil laugh]).

So the question I want to ask is this: is it really an issue of women not liking the male body, or men merely thinking that they don't? Is it more of a confidence issue than anything else?

Well the original point came from a woman so I don't know. I suspect it is like my biology points previously.

Really, I think women are just after the money myself. I don't trust them. Look at Lembit. Good personality?

[Shalot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRrRFe11eg

[stlukesguild]

Emil/Brian- President Clinton seemed to do OK with his dalliance in the oval office.

I don't know. He almost got impeached by the Neo-Con Republicans who were looking for anything to hang him by.

As for the English, the sexual licence that reigns in the UK is due to a kind of reverse psychology. As I have written in my first novel Pro Bono Publico: The sexual repression inherited from Puritan and Victorian forebears gives rise to an exaggerated prurience among the English....

Our population includes the heirs of a good many Puritanical sects that were kicked out of Europe... and with good reason. While we have produced endless Hollywood sex symbols, Rock'n'Roll, Rap, mottos such as "Sex Sells" and the California/Californication Porno industry, we also still have more than our fare share of puritanical religious sects and politicians who believe that they have the right to dictate what others do in their bedroom (or elsewhere for that matter). As a result, we may have become the first neurotic... if not schizophrenic superpower. My Jewish friend blames it all on Freud and the plethora of Jewish therapists in the US. Just look at Tony Soprano.

Loka, I don't believe a word of that - they're just two of your many foxy chicks I bet. Medieval poetry gets them everytime!

Absolutely. The chicks love the Beowulf talk (they also quite like the Wilde stuff as well, ha, ha, ha - [evil laugh]).

I actually remember thinking that the girls would be impressed with me lugging about my hefty edition of Dante's Comedia.

Seriously, I actually met Mrs. StLuke to be while she was browsing a copy of The Comedia in a bookstore. It's a long and complex story and I don't know if the whole thing is symbolic... and of what?

[Emil Miller]

The Comedia[/I] in a bookstore. It's a long and complex story and I don't know if the whole thing is symbolic... and of what?

Long ago, when I was taking a course in German at a language school, among the others in the group was a very attractive girl who immediately caught my attention. She was very friendly and it might have led to a romantic conclusion, but one day she turned up with a copy of Finnegan's Wake and after that you couldn't see my heels for the dust.

[stlukesguild]

Long ago, when I was taking a course in German at a language school, among the others in the group was a very attractive girl who immediately caught my attention. She was very friendly and it might have led to a romantic conclusion, but one day she turned up with a copy of Finnegan's Wake and after that you couldn't see my heels for the dust.

I must say, the possibility of a romantic entanglement might have been just enough to convince me to give Finnegan's Wake another go.

[MarkBastable]

And that's well and fine. Seriously, she's not my ideal. But I would also suggest that even those whose ideal partner might be someone highly intelligent, sophisticated, tasteful, elegant, well-mannered and profoundly spiritual may still find cheap, dirty, and lustful to have it attractions.

Damn right. Life offers the straight male no prospect more gratifying than finding himself in a hotel room after midnight with a chilled bottle of vodka, a mellow reefer and an intelligent, well-read, articulate, cheap, dirty slut.

And, incidentally, I am not using any of those words in a perjorative sense, as I hope the context makes clear.

[Emil Miller]

I must say, the possibility of a romantic entanglement might have been just enough to convince me to give Finnegan's Wake another go.

When she first appeared she had a copy of Le journal des Goncourt and that was part of the attraction, but Finnegan's Wake was a complete turn off. As for reading it twice, I would turn down a romantic entanglement with the young Brigitte Bardot rather than submit myself to the unreadable masterpiece.

[Vonny]

Stluke,

I suddenly get it that this is your sense of humor. I didn't understand that. My world is different from yours and so I completely didn't get it! I thought you were just being insulting.

[LitNetIsGreat]

Seriously, I actually met Mrs. StLuke to be while she was browsing a copy of The Comedia in a bookstore. It's a long and complex story and I don't know if the whole thing is symbolic... and of what?

Long ago, when I was taking a course in German at a language school, among the others in the group was a very attractive girl who immediately caught my attention. She was very friendly and it might have led to a romantic conclusion, but one day she turned up with a copy of Finnegan's Wake and after that you couldn't see my heels for the dust.

I must say these are great stories. The meeting over Dante and the running away from Finnegan's Wake, great stuff! I wonder if other people have had similar encounters?