hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so whatever he does you won't love him , ok . But tell me if a female tells you I love you Mark , how could you prove that she really loves you and to believe her and /in her if you refuse to have any experience with her? Isn't experience the essential form of any knowledge?
The question is not whether I love him, but whether I believe he exists. When he does something for me as personal as what he's done for you, then I'll think about how I feel about him.Originally Posted by caddy_caddy
So yeah - I agree with you that experience is important. When God and I share one, I guess we'll start paying attention to each other.
Last edited by MarkBastable; 06-05-2011 at 03:39 PM.
I swear I'm really depressed these days but u made me laugh from the bottom of my heart . Thx Mark.
And why u won't him to do sth for you if you don't love Him . don't believe in him , and don't trust Him?
For a start, it's not the case that I don't love him or do love him or do trust him or don't trust him. As I don't believe he exists, none of those things are possible.
But more importantly, I don't want him to "do something" for me. All I'm saying is that apparently he's done something for you, and if he did that for me, I'd have to revise my beliefs. If, on the other hand, he doesn't want to - that's okay. I'm fine and he's fine and I'm sure he'll get on fine without me.
Why are u interested in my experience then ?
Two reasons.
Firstly, because I'm interested in how it stacks up as an argument, intellectually.
Second, because if you're right, God's playing favourites, which I don't think is fair of him.
I accept my human condition as lonely and weak and, most of all, small. You felt lonely and weak without god because you are lonely and weak. It is only once we accept the conditions of our lives that we can transcend them in some way. Denial of these conditions on the back of something that does not exist is a denial and rejection of all that does exist and, thus, the only non-relative truth that we could ever know.
Thus for the Arabs.
It is we of the mountains who sometimes fear coming down, especially at a long drop.
Once I heard - all good paths lead to better places
True faith is a strength, strong reason is a weakness.
True faith AND strong reason can reside within the same.
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
By what standards?
"The faith that stands on authority is not faith."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
By the highest.
I call him when I need Him. I love Him, trust Him, and believe in Him . You don't try, you don't want even to try , and you say he 's playing favorites!
If love, trust, and belief does not matter to you, it does matter to Him.
Just because Ralph Waldo Emerson said it, it doesn't make it so. I don't agree with him.
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
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