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    So, my succinct thoughts on the symphony. I'll go piece by piece.

    The Wagner was a great way to start the performance. Boisterous and energetic, I really liked it.

    The selections from Carmen were awesome, and really continued my enjoyment of the show.

    The Sarasate, as I'm sure most of you know featured a solo violinist. A quite young (23, the program said), and pretty attractive if I do say so, woman played it and she was amazing. But, the piece didn't grab me. I've never been a huge solo kind of person, and the song seemed to drag a bit. Still, I enjoyed it, and watching her talent was a great pleasure. She deservedly got a standing ovation.

    The Berlioz was very good. I enjoyed it.

    Debussy's Claire de Lune was really the surprise highlight of the show. t was just so beautiful. I always enjoyed this song, but never really had any love of it. I do now. Certain parts gave me goosebumps, especially the build-up at 1:52 (in this video). Up until this point, it had been a good, enjoyable show. This song changed that to an amazing show.

    The Dukas was a lot of fun to listen to, as almost everyone knows it. It's such a wonderful song with such an amazingly apt name. A great way to rap up the first half of the show before intermission.

    To kick off the second half were two pieces by Mozart. I know I speak blasphemy, but I can't get into Mozart, and the performance didn't convert me. It wasn't bad, but it just seemed so boring. Mozart always just seems so safe. I enjoy his operas more than his concertos.

    As for the Strauss, I've never liked the Blue Danube. I don't know why, I just don't. It's boring and way too repetitive, and it seemed to drag. At this point I was getting bored.

    Thankfully, Elgar's Nimrod brought it back. I found this piece to be just beautiful, just like Claire de Lune was, but this just didn't give me goosebumps like Lune did.

    And, the finale was the finale to Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which was just AMAZING. Definitely the best song, though I'm definitely biased towards it. It was just so powerful, so grand. I mean, how could one not love the gong? Where Lune gave me goosebumps, this gave me chills. I'd love to see the whole piece performed.

    So, there're my thoughts on the songs. Overal it was an awesome experience. But, like Mozart in general, it was too safe for my tastes in classical. I like more of the modern stuff, music that is a bit more out there. Hopefully there'll be some of that next season, because I'm definitely going back. The sound was just amazing. It almost didn't sound real, if that makes sense. That so much sound can come from unamplified music is just amazing to someone who has, up until now, seen almost nothing but amplified concerts, including many an earl-bleeding heavy metal shows.

    A couple questions, though. The conductor talked to the crowd every few songs (with a microphone) about what they were playing, giving brief explanations and backgrounds of each piece. Is this normal, or usual? It was a "Classical's Greatest Hits" show, so I think it was geared more towards very casual listeners or people new to classical (like myself), so maybe it was just for that show. In any case, I liked that he did it.

    My other question is, is it against decorum to move at all during a performance? Both my dad and me were pretty much bobbing our heads (or sort of swaying them during slower sections) the whole time. It's just how we are--we can't help but move when listening to music. Every time I looked around, people were like statues, which, to me, is weirder than not moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    To kick off the second half were two pieces by Mozart. I know I speak blasphemy, but I can't get into Mozart, and the performance didn't convert me. It wasn't bad, but it just seemed so boring. Mozart always just seems so safe. I enjoy his operas more than his concertos.
    Could it be you are just too familiar with the piece? Also it is a sernade, light music, written on commission. It's not really fair to judge Mozart on this (although I think it's great!)

    Anyway, you are contradicting yourself here - you say you enjoy his operas and his concertos, so you can obviously *are* into him.

    I find the mature Mozart amazing in all serious forms, here's a Sonata that never fails to blow me away:

    Mozart Piano Sonata No.8 (Lesson) Walter Klien
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1-LhYntNbc

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    I listened to Karajan's 1982 live version of Mahler 9 yesterday It has two slow movements (I and IV), both half an hour long, and both amazingly beautiful:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYd5K_0-ae4

    BBC Radio 3 broadcast Parsifal complete (in English) yesterday:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011cgmj

    The Prelude was superb, though I gave up when the singing started (I'm not doing Mahler 9 and Parsifal back to back!)

    As for the Strauss, I've never liked the Blue Danube. I don't know why, I just don't. It's boring and way too repetitive, and it seemed to drag. At this point I was getting bored.
    It's just too light and frivolous - just not satisfying if you've just listened to something really moving like Mahler 9.

    Claire de Lune is a very interesting piece - it is so simple, why doesn't it seem as light and frivolous as the Blue Danube? Debussy is very special.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0CLYpYKHNY

    And, the finale was the finale to Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, which was just AMAZING. Definitely the best song, though I'm definitely biased towards it. It was just so powerful, so grand. I mean, how could one not love the gong? Where Lune gave me goosebumps, this gave me chills. I'd love to see the whole piece performed.

    The conductor talked to the crowd every few songs (with a microphone) about what they were playing, giving brief explanations and backgrounds of each piece. Is this normal, or usual?...
    Very unusual!

    "The conductor has the advantage of not seeing the audience" - Andre Kostelanetz

    My other question is, is it against decorum to move at all during a performance? Both my dad and me were pretty much bobbing our heads (or sort of swaying them during slower sections) the whole time. It's just how we are--we can't help but move when listening to music. Every time I looked around, people were like statues, which, to me, is weirder than not moving.
    Simple rule: only do it if the rest of the audience is doing it.

    There are some occasions when not moving would be a treasonable offence:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWz9MrHskk

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    Vivaldi should never be underestimated. His Four Seasons may be overplayed (through no fault of his own) but there is clearly a reason for this. Contrary to Stravinsky's snide comment that he wrote the same concerto 100 times (Stravinsky should be lucky to survive as long as Vivaldi) his concertos are laden with any number of absolutely marvelous moments.
    I agree, Stravinsky was the master of *unfair* comments about other composers - he once said that listening to a Vaughan Williams symphony was like staring at a cow for an hour. (Unfair! But funny...)

    Vivaldi La Stravaganza Concerto 6 in G minor II - Marriner ASMF
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal4mac View Post
    Anyway, you are contradicting yourself here - you say you enjoy his operas and his concertos, so you can obviously *are* into him.
    Not really. I can enjoy a piece and not be "into" that particular artist. I enjoy most of what I hear by Mozart, but I don't go out of my way to listen to him. He's just not as great to me as he is to others.
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    Simple rule: only do it if the rest of the audience is doing it.
    Screw that. I'll move my head if the music provokes me.

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    Just retruned from my son's(violin) High School orchestra concert. A few selections played included "The Water is Wide" arranged by Robert Sieving, Pirates of the Caribbean arr by Ted Ricketts, a harp solo playing Trois Gymnopedies, a medley from Fiddler on the Roof and the hi-lite of the evening was "Adagio for Strings" by Samual Barber:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV3SHBFyDZM

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    Organ Music?

    I've been listening to classical for a few months now, mostly through Pandora, and I just realized I haven't heard any organ/pipe organ, an instrument I've always loved the sound of. Any suggestions on names I could put in to hear some?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    I've been listening to classical for a few months now, mostly through Pandora, and I just realized I haven't heard any organ/pipe organ, an instrument I've always loved the sound of. Any suggestions on names I could put in to hear some?
    I'm not usually a great fan of organ music, but I really liked this:

    Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach — Organ Sonata no.5 W70 no.5
    Performer: Marie-Claire Alain (organ)

    Heard it on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010nttb

    CPE Bach is greatly underated IMHO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    I've been listening to classical for a few months now, mostly through Pandora, and I just realized I haven't heard any organ/pipe organ, an instrument I've always loved the sound of. Any suggestions on names I could put in to hear some?
    Saint-Saëns' Symphony No.3 in C minor is one of my absolute favourite pieces - and it's usually called the 'Organ' symphony because that is exactly what it features in two of its four movements.

    It's an absolutely stunning piece, the composer's best - and one of the great masterpieces of Romantic music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokasenna View Post
    Saint-Saëns' Symphony No.3 in C minor is one of my absolute favourite pieces - and it's usually called the 'Organ' symphony because that is exactly what it features in two of its four movements.

    It's an absolutely stunning piece, the composer's best - and one of the great masterpieces of Romantic music.
    Stunning is exactly the word to describe this great work of French romanticism but, before the classists turn up their noses at an organ work that wasn't composed by Bach, just remember this, Bach for all of his obvious greatness would have given his right arm to have had these orchestral forces at his disposal.

    http://youtu.be/TCKiZRWyv20
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    Obviously J.S. Bach. Look into a collection of his organ works. My favorite would surely be:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8SRkEa4_k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAXqR...eature=related

    Check out G.F. Handel's Organ Concertos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdo8A...eature=related

    Dietrich Buxtehude is another name that should not be ignored... a great precursor to J.S. Bach on both organ and in the cantata:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbY5cUYKX2Y

    Perhaps one of the most recent masters of the instrument was the composer, Messiaen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS37bQ-SN_4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZfkUgazCtM

    Another great Modern composer for the organ is Marcel Dupre:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZfkUgazCtM
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    JS Bach
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    Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart , Serenade For Winds; K. 361; 3rd Movement 'Gran Partita'

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    Thanks for all the suggestions on the organ music, everyone!

    I know you've been on a choral music kick, StLukes, and it's something I've never really gotten into (yet). Though I did hear this yesterday and I just love it. Dark, ominous, foreboding, sinister. Awesome.

    Does anyone have any suggestions to put in for choral classical that is more contemporary? I am playing the choral station on pandora, and they seem to only play Baroque period, maybe classical, but nothing beyond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Does anyone have any suggestions to put in for choral classical that is more contemporary? I am playing the choral station on pandora, and they seem to only play Baroque period, maybe classical, but nothing beyond.
    Rachmaninov's All-Night Vigil (most commonly, if incorrectly, called Vespers) is a justifiably celebrated 20th century choral piece. They are exclusively a capella (so no orchestra or anything). I really do love them - they almost challenge Piano Concerto No. 2 for the place of my favourite Rachmaninov work.
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