Mozart in English

[Musicology]

Patrick Bateman,

Since this thread is only and exclusively on W.A. Mozart its focus is on W.A. Mozart. This may of course be seen as a conspiracy by you but it's the truth. Though it's a subject on which you seem strangely mute. We haven't noticed - LOL !!!

May I suggest you start a thread on something else ? It will deflect us from laughing at your failures with W.A. Mozart.

Which reminds me of an obscure incident in the life and times of Indian activist Muhatma Ghandi. After touring England's cities he was approached by a BBC camera crew and was asked 'What do you think of British civilization'. ??? Ghandi bowed his head, made one of those toothless smiles for which he is famous and replied, 'Sir, I will surely let you know when I do find British civilization'.

LOL !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zlra...eature=related

I imagine Musicology types his retorts with legs crossed sat in a beautiful leather Chesterfield, pipe in mouth, wearing a smug and haughty countenance with the belief that he is better than the rest and is the only mortal to have circumvented the mind control that Western music scholars and historians have imposed on the other 6 billion of us.

Are you a Holocaust denier too? Have you visited Atlantis? Did Roger Rabbit assassinate JFK??

Come on enlighten us with more of your crackpot theories.

[Gilliatt Gurgle]

...Which reminds me of an obscure incident in the life and times of Indian activist Muhatma Ghandi. After touring England's cities he was approached by a BBC camera crew and was asked 'What do you think of British civilization'. ??? Ghandi bowed his head, made one of those toothless smiles for which he is famous and replied, 'Sir, I will surely let you know when I do find British civilization'...

Buon giorno Robert,
There always be an England:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhUFV...eature=related

By the way, what’s the latest on Mysliveček and in particular his role in the Italian Campaign? Any new developments?

Thanks
Gilliatt

[Patrick_Bateman]

Patrick Bateman,

Since this thread is only and exclusively on W.A. Mozart its focus is on W.A. Mozart. This may of course be seen as a conspiracy by you but it's the truth. Though it's a subject on which you seem strangely mute. We haven't noticed - LOL !!!

May I suggest you start a thread on something else ? It will deflect us from laughing at your failures with W.A. Mozart.

Which reminds me of an obscure incident in the life and times of Indian activist Muhatma Ghandi. After touring England's cities he was approached by a BBC camera crew and was asked 'What do you think of British civilization'. ??? Ghandi bowed his head, made one of those toothless smiles for which he is famous and replied, 'Sir, I will surely let you know when I do find British civilization'.

LOL !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zlra...eature=related

I have been far from mute on the subject.

I supplied ample facts about Mozart's life and the society and state of music at the time in which he lived.

To which you have evaded each point, refusing to counter my repudiation of your theory.

[Musicology]

Patrick Bateman,

I will today post here a list of questions you have been asked on this thread reference Mozart and which you have repeatedly failed to answer. That list will speak for itself.

Always remember 'Everything you've heard is true' (and that's official) - Trailer to the film 'Amadeus'.

I have been far from mute on the subject.

I supplied ample facts about Mozart's life and the society and state of music at the time in which he lived.

To which you have evaded each point, refusing to counter my repudiation of your theory.

‘The Dangling Conversation’

(also known as NASA - ‘Never a Straight Answer’)
Or

‘

''Cognitive Dissonance and Patrick Bateman’s heroic struggle to break free from its Tentacles’ '

POST NUMBER ON THIS THREAD

Number 200

'Who taught Mozart music' ?
'Why was Mozart famous in 1763 and 1764' ?

Number 202

You say the Archbishop of Salzburg allowed Mozart to represent Salzburg when on tour. Can you give us a single example of Mozart doing so ? Just one ?

Number 206

Please give us proof W.A. Mozart was representing Salzburg at any time during the 7 years of his childhood tours of Europe.

Number 209

Can you provide evidence that W.A. Mozart was ''representing Salzburg'' from 1773 onwards ?

Number 220

1. Who was paid 450 Florins by Josef 2nd ?

2. When ?

3. For what ?

Number 243

Which 'experts' are you refering to ?

Where did Mozart go to school ? If at all.
When did Mozart learn music ?
Who taught him composition ? If at all.
Can you give a list of 'his' compositions up to, say, his teenage years, that stands cross-examination ? You can choose any year you like. Can it get more simple ?
Can you admit his music entrance exam to Bologna (1770) was faked ? An article on this by Bianchini has already been posted here.
Can you name a single public concert given by W.A. Mozart in his home city of Salzburg ? At any time in his whole life ?
Can you tell us when Mozart studied keyboard playing ? And under which teacher ?
Have you actually examined the alleged musical career of Mozart in any detail ?

Contemporary writers on music (such as JN Forkel, Da Ponte, Koch and others), all show 'Mozart' was virtually unknown, even in Vienna, during his last decade. Contrary to the fairy story. Do you want their statements on this ?. Do their statements mean anything to you ?

Number 256

And what is 'outrageous' about the theory that George Onslow was with L v Beethoven (1770-1827) in Vienna ?

Number 260

'Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail'. That music is not by Mozart. So said contemporary writers including those present at its premiere. Did you know this ?

As for Le Nozze di Figaro (1786) have you examined this subject, at all ?

Will you please go to the Austrian National Library to look at the score of the opera held there which dates from the premiere itself ?

The contemporary writers of the time (e.g. those who wrote on music in the 1780's) strangely do not list 'Le Nozze di Figaro' as being an opera by W.A. Mozart. Strange, isn't it ?

You may be aware of several arias composed for Cosi fan tutte by a certain composer named Antonio Salieri ?

Number 262

On what evidence (that is, on what verifiable evidence) do you believe in the story of W.A. Mozart, 'musical genius' ?

Number 280

You DO look at both sides, don't you ?

Number 282

You believe Padre Martini taught Mozart because, well, everyone says Padre Martini taught Mozart. Can you provide some actual evidence ?

//

Simon and Garfunkel
'The Dangling Conversation'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yC-Zar35Vc

[Patrick_Bateman]

‘The Dangling Conversation’

(also known as NASA - ‘Never a Straight Answer’)
Or

‘

''Cognitive Dissonance and Patrick Bateman’s heroic struggle to break free from its Tentacles’ '

POST NUMBER ON THIS THREAD

Number 200

'Who taught Mozart music' ?
'Why was Mozart famous in 1763 and 1764' ?

Number 202

You say the Archbishop of Salzburg allowed Mozart to represent Salzburg when on tour. Can you give us a single example of Mozart doing so ? Just one ?

Number 206

Please give us proof W.A. Mozart was representing Salzburg at any time during the 7 years of his childhood tours of Europe.

Number 209

Can you provide evidence that W.A. Mozart was ''representing Salzburg'' from 1773 onwards ?

Number 220

1. Who was paid 450 Florins by Josef 2nd ?

2. When ?

3. For what ?

Number 243

Which 'experts' are you refering to ?

Where did Mozart go to school ? If at all.
When did Mozart learn music ?
Who taught him composition ? If at all.
Can you give a list of 'his' compositions up to, say, his teenage years, that stands cross-examination ? You can choose any year you like. Can it get more simple ?
Can you admit his music entrance exam to Bologna (1770) was faked ? An article on this by Bianchini has already been posted here.
Can you name a single public concert given by W.A. Mozart in his home city of Salzburg ? At any time in his whole life ?
Can you tell us when Mozart studied keyboard playing ? And under which teacher ?
Have you actually examined the alleged musical career of Mozart in any detail ?

Contemporary writers on music (such as JN Forkel, Da Ponte, Koch and others), all show 'Mozart' was virtually unknown, even in Vienna, during his last decade. Contrary to the fairy story. Do you want their statements on this ?. Do their statements mean anything to you ?

Number 256

And what is 'outrageous' about the theory that George Onslow was with L v Beethoven (1770-1827) in Vienna ?

Number 260

'Die Entfuhrung aus dem Serail'. That music is not by Mozart. So said contemporary writers including those present at its premiere. Did you know this ?

As for Le Nozze di Figaro (1786) have you examined this subject, at all ?

Will you please go to the Austrian National Library to look at the score of the opera held there which dates from the premiere itself ?

The contemporary writers of the time (e.g. those who wrote on music in the 1780's) strangely do not list 'Le Nozze di Figaro' as being an opera by W.A. Mozart. Strange, isn't it ?

You may be aware of several arias composed for Cosi fan tutte by a certain composer named Antonio Salieri ?

Number 262

On what evidence (that is, on what verifiable evidence) do you believe in the story of W.A. Mozart, 'musical genius' ?

Number 280

You DO look at both sides, don't you ?

Number 282

You believe Padre Martini taught Mozart because, well, everyone says Padre Martini taught Mozart. Can you provide some actual evidence ?

//

Simon and Garfunkel
'The Dangling Conversation'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yC-Zar35Vc

You accuse me of the same thing with which you are guilty yourself. (And let's distinguish ourselves from each other here, since I HAVE made attempts to back up my arguments which you just conveniently ignore.)

My proof comes from the writings of music scholars and other respectable authorities on the subject of Mozart and music. All liars who devote their lives to perpetuating a falsehood of course.

Even when I provide evidence from contemporary sources of the time, you don't retort with a structured and well thought out argument (backed up with evidence.) No that is what real musicologists and historians do. What the charlatan does is dismiss a primary source by making unfounded claims that men like von Goethe are members of an underground organisation dedicated to 'keeping the Mozart myth in circulation.'

A cowardly move engendered by your own struggle with 'cognitive dissonance.'

It is also mystifying that apparently YOU are the only worm to emerge from woodwork with this theory.

Centuries of study, by myriad of intelligent and analytical minds all undone by one man from London, who apparently knows something they do not?

I don't think so. But a very good effort and a what a very charming thread you have here.

[Musicology]

Patrick Bateman,

No. you have NOT answered any of the questions listed above from the thread so far. There are so many unanswered questions it's time to remind you of it. Anyone can see this by reading the thread. But nobody has come to your rescue. If this thread continues those questions will still be unanswered. Your score so far is zero.

You write -

'My proof comes from the writings of music scholars and other respectable authorities on the subject of Mozart and music'

Really ? And where do these music scholars and other 'respectable authorities' answer any of these specific questions ? Please show us ? I could ask a thousand more.

You also write -

What the charlatan does is dismiss a primary source by making unfounded claims that men like von Goethe are members of an underground organisation dedicated to 'keeping the Mozart myth in circulation.'

The 'greatest genius of modern German literature', Wolfgang van Goethe, who was famous for being famous, was a well known member of the occultist fraternity known as the Illuminati. Fact.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illuminati-M.../dp/115570584X

Goethe commented on the fact that Mozart wore a wig and a sword in 1763 when he saw him. And what, exactly, does that say about Mozart being a musical genius ? Zilch.

You believe the Mozart fairy story. So did I. Till I examined its details with others. The fairy story is not supported by the actual evidence. In fact it's massively contradicted by the actual evidence. Let's pretend the opposite, right ?

We've been duped !!! Fortunately, those who have examined these things are telling you so. Those who have examined the historical and musical evidence. And if that's not true you can always call a friend and get some 'experts' to defend you. Right ? It's goodnight from Vienna, it seems.

LOL !!!

[Emil Miller]

It's goodnight from Vienna, it seems.

At last a recognition of the farce behind this mind-bendingly tedious nonsense.

http://youtu.be/UlDxOO4iHEg

[LitNetIsGreat]

At last a recognition of the farce behind this mind-bendingly tedious nonsense.

http://youtu.be/UlDxOO4iHEg

If only...

Patrick, I have to say that I did warn you of such posting here a while back.
Did I not say to post in the other threads, such as What is Your Favourite Cheese or Who is Your Favourite Bus Conductor? For such threads are much more worthwhle than this one....

[yanni]

On deviating from greek etymology, hypocritical idiocy, litteratur and truth distorting, see post 131 of http://www.online-literature.com/for...t=15023&page=9.

[Musicology]

Still no answers to any questions ? LOL ! Music matters. It heals itself. In time. See as follows -

''The Beneficial Effects of Reverse Mutation in Countering Cognitive Dissonance from the Many Coiled Wrathful Outbursts of the Mozartean Frankenstein''

(The following Youtube came free with the, 'I'm Musically Confused Journal', Vol. 37537/b8 of May 2011).

Taken once a day for three days. With a cup of nice tea. Does wonders !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8

Corporate Mythology 0
Reality 1
Final Result

Total Wipeout !!!!

At last a recognition of the farce behind this mind-bendingly tedious nonsense.

http://youtu.be/UlDxOO4iHEg

[Musicology]

Yes, it didn't go very well for Patrick. Did it ?

But hey, let's celebrate the fact that myths are no match for reality.

Have some free musical champagne on the house !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8

If only...

Patrick, I have to say that I did warn you of such posting here a while back.
Did I not say to post in the other threads, such as What is Your Favourite Cheese or Who is Your Favourite Bus Conductor? For such threads are much more worthwhle than this one....

[Musicology]

Music Matters !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_El7q...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlAai...eature=related

[Patrick_Bateman]

Music Matters !!

And you don't

[Musicology]

You are so right, Patrick Bateman. Truth matters more than anything. More than you and I.

I think you are making a steady recovery.

No hard feelings. Total respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8

And you don't

[ERS]

Another tick in the box for the Boffins...

Oops - I mean: "Everything we've heard is true!"

Salieri - Serenada Per Fiati in Si b:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTN6j33qDmY

Robert, the more music I hear written by these other "inferior" composers, the more I am convinced you may have sussed it...