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    James Franco

    For those who don't know, James Franco, movie star, has also become a modern-day renaissance man of sorts. Along with acting he paints, writes (has one book of short stories published) and is currently studying to receive a PhD in English.

    From Wikipedia:
    Franco has been described as having "an unusually high metabolism for productivity...a superhuman ability to focus".[1] Dissatisfied with his career's direction,[1] Franco reenrolled at UCLA in the fall of 2006 as an English major with a creative writing concentration. Having received permission to take as many as 62 course credits per quarter compared to the normal limit of 19[81] while continuing to act, he received his undergraduate degree in June 2008 with a GPA over 3.5.[81][1][82] For his degree, Franco prepared his departmental honors thesis as a novel under the supervision of Mona Simpson.[1][83] He moved to New York to simultaneously attend graduate school at Columbia University's MFA writing program, New York University's Tisch School of the Arts for filmmaking,[84][85][86][87] and Brooklyn College for fiction writing,[81] while occasionally commuting to North Carolina's Warren Wilson College for poetry.[1] He received his MFA from Columbia in 2010.[88] Franco is a Ph.D. student in English at Yale University[89] and will also attend the Rhode Island School of Design.[1]

    Franco developed an aptitude for art—painting in particular—during his high school years while attending the California State Summer School for the Arts (CSSSA).[12] Franco has said painting was the "outlet" he needed in high school, and he "has actually been painting longer than he has been acting."[90] His paintings were displayed publicly for the first time at the Glü Gallery in Los Angeles, California, from January 7, 2006, through February 11, 2006.[12][91] Franco can also be seen painting in a scene in Spider-Man 3.[92] He launched his first European art exhibition in 2011 at Peres Projects in Berlin.[66]

    Franco enjoys reading on the set of his films. Pineapple Express producer Judd Apatow has said of him: "He's a very education-minded person. We used to laugh because in between takes he'd be reading The Iliad on set. We still haven't read The Iliad. It was a very difficult book. With him, it was always James Joyce or something."[93]
    I have mixed feelings on Franco's educational endeavors. First, I wonder how much of his celebrity he is using as cache to get through the seemingly super-human work load he takes on. I also admire him for it, though, as it's pretty obvious he is doing it out of a passion for the subject--he doesn't need to worry about pursuing a career for money. He doesn't seem to be faking it. Reading The Iliad on a film set seems like quite a lot of work just for the sake of posturing.

    I do like to see the academic field, especially since it's English, get such a "cool" representative. He is definitely not an intellectual pinhead. I think it's cool that younger kids may see him doing these things and not look at higher education as something just for the ultra-smart, or nerds.

    So, anyways, I kind of came in here starting this subject with no clear direction. What do you think? Do you think he's sincere? Do you think he's a positive example of higher learning? I'm also curious if anyone has read his book, and what they think of it.

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    You think that's trippy, Natalie Portman is a published scientist, she had 2 papers published as a research assistant when she studied psychology at Harvard.
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    From this point of view he doesn't look superhumanly impressive - he's going to college as a 28 year old whose already read a ton of literature.. of course he can go through the material 4x faster, he's spent the last 10 years reading the stuff! So I think he's sincere; but he shows up smarter than he actually is. To some extent it's expected - society privileges certain people so that they can become icons, and it seems like he's been selected as one of them.

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    You think that's trippy, Natalie Portman is a published scientist, she had 2 papers published as a research assistant when she studied psychology at Harvard.
    Well Natalie Portman is just amazing xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanPip View Post
    You think that's trippy, Natalie Portman is a published scientist, she had 2 papers published as a research assistant when she studied psychology at Harvard.
    Yes, I know. I love her. Literally when I was younger. I had a huuuuge crush on her when that travesty The Phantom Menace came out. Her being so smart just makes her that much hotter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cunninglinguist View Post
    From this point of view he doesn't look superhumanly impressive - he's going to college as a 28 year old whose already read a ton of literature.. of course he can go through the material 4x faster, he's spent the last 10 years reading the stuff! So I think he's sincere; but he shows up smarter than he actually is. To some extent it's expected - society privileges certain people so that they can become icons, and it seems like he's been selected as one of them.
    Maybe. I don't know though. I don't care how much you read, college courses aren't easy. At least they aren't for me. He still needs to put in the work (unless you believe there is some nefarious conspiracy in his intellectual pursuits, which I don't).

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    I don't think he actually works as often as it seems, like it only takes a month to film a movie really, and he hasn't done any big parts in years. Probably fits most of it in over the summer.

    As to Natalie:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpMPFGBtE7Q
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    "I'll sit right down on your face, and take a ****!"

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    James Franco is definately good-looking... if nothing else....

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    That's what you get for having grade inflation - educational inflation. Seriously, that doesn't impress me; many artists didn't have formal educations in 5 different universities and produced good enough art.

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    Is it me, or does the producer fellow in the wikipedia article you quote seem to be suggesting that James Joyce wrote The Illiad?

    If it's a genuine desire to learn, then all power to him. I must admit, making a point of reading high-brow literature on set does seem slightly posturing. It's like the people you find on trains, who sit there reading Rushdie (or similar) who keep glancing up in the hope that you'll engage them in conversation about how clever they look.
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    I saw him on The Colbert Report and he seemed genuine enough about his pursuits, but he also made a good point about how today's society and, especially, Hollywood actors are so culturally destitute, in general, that it would make anyone who pursued academia seem like a "Renaissance Man". It'd be nice if he could bring some publicity and coolness to art and literature and higher education, in general. I never went to college myself, so I have no idea how impressive what he's doing is, but if he is indeed doing it for the right reasons then I can't help but applaud him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Maybe. I don't know though. I don't care how much you read, college courses aren't easy. At least they aren't for me. He still needs to put in the work (unless you believe there is some nefarious conspiracy in his intellectual pursuits, which I don't).
    A lot less work, though. If he's taking 3x the normal amount of classes he obvious isn't going to every one of them - more like he's mainly just showing up for tests. All in all, he's probably gifted, but he's no genius (neither is Portman, I suspect). I question how privileged he is. That he was allowed to take that many credits as a mature student (or any kind of student, for that matter) is abnormal. Getting into the Yale grad program with a 3.5 GPA from UCLA (especially as an English major) is quite rare, I imagine. I suspect we tend to give him the benefit of the doubt because we want smart & sexy icons. And, to top it off, he just appears so well on paper. He breaks a stereotype with such apparent ease, he must be the next Einstein, eh? But people haven't considered all the circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorpheusSandman View Post
    It'd be nice if he could bring some publicity and coolness to art and literature and higher education, in general.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    @OrphanPip, really? Franco has done more than a handful of movies in the past few years: Howl, Pineapple Express, 127 hours, Milk, etc. With that and 60+ credit hours in a single semester I don't care if he gets privileges that's still impressive

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoReader View Post
    @OrphanPip, really? Franco has done more than a handful of movies in the past few years: Howl, Pineapple Express, 127 hours, Milk, etc. With that and 60+ credit hours in a single semester I don't care if he gets privileges that's still impressive
    Ya, but several of those movies he's in for only a few minutes, and like I said it doesn't actually take that much time to film a part in a movie. His only really major part out of those is 127 Hours, and Howl.

    And it's not that impressive, loads of people work full time jobs while doing school full time, some even raise kids and worry about where their next meal is coming from. Their jobs don't usually involving sitting around in trailer doing nothing most of the day either.

    Edit: Also, Franco had started his degree in '96, so he likely had some transfer credits. He cut a year off his education, that's not that unusual.
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    He's clearly gifted as he wouldn't be where he is, so credit to him for persuing education despite probably being able to settle on his hollywood career. I mean why would someone commit to so much work, travelling and time consumption just as a bit of a 'look at me i'm hip'.

    Heard is debut book was pretty hit and miss, as expected. Fair on him I guess, he clearly has the money, rather see it go on that than 7 gram rocks every weekend.

    Also: I am completely lost when it comes to the American education system (I'm from England, not just an idiot), anyone care to explain what all the little numbers mean?
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