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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli View Post
    To not have the ability to love or think is abhorrent.
    But if you'd never known either, you wouldn't miss them.
    Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
    But if you'd never known either, you wouldn't miss them.
    Not neccessarily, Bernard is able to think for himself due to being an outcast and probably incomplete conditioning; able to go against hypnopaedic teachings as he refuses to compulsively take soma, wants to contemplate nature and also wants Lenina to himself.

    Mond is also aware of these concepts from his exchange with the Savage.

    maybe i worded it wrong, hypothetically I could not go from my present existence into civilisation like the Savage does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli View Post
    ... probably incomplete conditioning...
    Bingo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oli View Post
    Mond is also aware of these concepts from his exchange with the Savage.
    Sure, but understanding wouldn't be possible. It would be like one of us trying to figure how an elephant feels.

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    maybe i worded it wrong, hypothetically I could not go from my present existence into civilisation like the Savage does
    I could, but the drugs, women, feelies and everything about the lifestyle appeal to my sensual side.

    Go to work, get married, have some kids, pay your taxes, pay your bills, watch your tv, follow fashion, act normal, obey the law and repeat after me: "I am free."

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    The quote "ignorance is bliss" never sat well with me. I'd rather be aware and deal with it then to be incapacitated and drooling on my feet all day. I prefer the life of John the Savage as it provides the freedom for self improvement and self fulfilment. It all comes down to what one considers to be living. For me the new world is not living. It gives what everybody strives to achieve but it is the striving itself that makes it living.

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    Hi guys,

    Ehi don t be so aggressive
    When i red the first chapter of the book i thought "**** book" too, but now that i red it a lot of times i can understand how much is wonderful

    I like so much huxley's style that faces serious problems in a witty and easy way. But i must admit, i prefer george orwell's dystopias because i love dramatic and heavy novel more than witty ones.

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