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    I disagree with you. Thanks for expressing your...

    I disagree with you. Thanks for expressing your thoughts.

    Nice forum here, when used right. Everyone gets a say. I hope that people are praying, so that the Lord gets a say too!

    ;)
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    Jonus - you are simply wrong. Jesus meant before...

    Jonus - you are simply wrong. Jesus meant before marriage sex ... Mark skips it entirely (it hardly ever happened); pre-marital sex is definitely one of the literal, possible meanings, and if you put...
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    Shea, I feel you are wrong, but I can see how...

    Shea,

    I feel you are wrong, but I can see how much you would like to be right. All the good intentions in the World do not make something that is a wrong rendering of Jesus's truths correct, no...
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    Oh so very wrong ... about everything? OK.

    Oh so very wrong ... about everything? OK.
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    Don't inherently know "why" Jesus would say...

    Don't inherently know "why" Jesus would say anything... but I do know that I would rather ask HIM why, than someone else. I can only tell you what I feel/believe. And I feel/believe that Jesus would...
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    How degenerative this became!

    How degenerative this became!
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    OK, I read Matt 19:8. What is the point? Seems to...

    OK, I read Matt 19:8. What is the point? Seems to be saying it was hardness of heart that caused Moses to give people the law allowing divorce. No one with a hard heart is going to be rewarded in the...
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    No, men were trying to make more of Paul and...

    No, men were trying to make more of Paul and Apollos (as individuals) than they should have.

    As for role of congregation members in general,

    I Cor:"14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in...
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    "4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a...

    "4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you...
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    I wasn't there to see the other texts written,...

    I wasn't there to see the other texts written, nor the King James either. I believe the Spirit has to speak, and only can when we are willing to listen. The written word is dependent on language, the...
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    I do appreciate your responses, which must take...

    I do appreciate your responses, which must take some time to compose - and the pains you take to back up your thoughts with biblical scripture. Which is what this forum is about.

    I will try to...
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    No one has the "original Greek text". There are...

    No one has the "original Greek text". There are no original parchments left, only transcriptions. That said, I do think the King James scholars probably tried to do a reasonable job of collecting...
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    An exception was granted for fornication, not for...

    An exception was granted for fornication, not for adultery.

    Fornication referred to a "before marriage" condition, not an after-marriage condition. In other words, if you married someone and later...
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    For Shea: Prohibition about women taking part...

    For Shea:

    Prohibition about women taking part was likely to do with women who were not professing godliness, who didn't know what was going on and you can picture them pulling on their husbands'...
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    The Creation is the beginning of man's natural...

    The Creation is the beginning of man's natural existence. The Garden is man's beginning as a spiritual being.
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    Drinking in Moderation

    I have wrestled with this topic for quite awhile. I believe that the Bible is clear for its time, that wine was drunk by many. And not because water was scarce. What did they fill up at the marriage...
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