Fasting Month of Ramadhan

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06-28-2014, 09:47 AM
YALASH

Fasting Month of Ramadhan

Peace be on you.
The Ramadhan is very near. The basic aim of this worship is to attain righteousness which lead to nearness of Allah the Exalted. Holy Quran says:

[ch2:v184] O ye who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may become righteous.

[ch2:v187] And when My servants ask thee about Me, say: ‘I am near. I answer the prayer of the supplicant when he prays to Me. So they should hearken to Me and believe in Me, that they may follow the right way.’

"Fasting in Islam begins everywhere at the first appearance of dawn, and ends with sunset. During this period one is expected to abstain from all food and drink completely. It is not just physical hunger and thirst that constitute the Muslim fast, but the nights prior to the beginning of the fast acquire a far more important character and play a central role in the institution of fasting. The Muslims wake up many hours before dawn for individual prayer and the remembrance of God. Also the Holy Quran is recited in every Muslim house much more than in ordinary days.....................................The institution of fasting is extremely important because it cultivates the believer in almost every area of his spiritual life."
Reference: https://www.alislam.org/books/study-...m/fasting.html
06-28-2014, 02:33 PM
saralynn

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Originally Posted by YALASH

Peace be on you.
The Ramadhan is very near. The basic aim of this worship is to attain righteousness which lead to nearness of Allah the Exalted. Holy Quran says:

[ch2:v184] O ye who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may become righteous.

[ch2:v187] And when My servants ask thee about Me, say: ‘I am near. I answer the prayer of the supplicant when he prays to Me. So they should hearken to Me and believe in Me, that they may follow the right way.’

"Fasting in Islam begins everywhere at the first appearance of dawn, and ends with sunset. During this period one is expected to abstain from all food and drink completely. It is not just physical hunger and thirst that constitute the Muslim fast, but the nights prior to the beginning of the fast acquire a far more important character and play a central role in the institution of fasting. The Muslims wake up many hours before dawn for individual prayer and the remembrance of God. Also the Holy Quran is recited in every Muslim house much more than in ordinary days.....................................The institution of fasting is extremely important because it cultivates the believer in almost every area of his spiritual life."
Reference: https://www.alislam.org/books/study-...m/fasting.html

I am a private tutor and I have a Muslim student who goes to bed at 4AM, so that he can sleep during most of the time he is fasting.

He is a teenager, though, so I think he is being, not so much rebellious, as teenager-ish.

This is very challenging for his parents. They worry that he is becoming Americanized, in the worst sense of the word.

Anyway, I hope you have a blessed Ramadan.
06-29-2014, 07:14 AM
YALASH

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Originally Posted by saralynn

I am a private tutor and I have a Muslim student who goes to bed at 4AM, so that he can sleep during most of the time he is fasting.

Peace be on you.
Ramadhan fasting does not require all day sleeping.

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Originally Posted by saralynn

He is a teenager, though, so I think he is being, not so much rebellious, as teenager-ish.

He is learning.

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Originally Posted by saralynn

This is very challenging for his parents. They worry that he is becoming Americanized, in the worst sense of the word.

Do you mean he do not follow religion? Personally I would present them to study Ahmadiyya Jama'at (ahmadiyya.us) , their understanding of Islam teaches them to be best peaceful citizen of the country of residence; there is auxiliary for boys (7--15) among other auxiliaries.

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Anyway, I hope you have a blessed Ramadan.

Thanks you very much for good wishes, all prayers for you and I humbly hope you would find time to study peaceful Islam under Khilafat at Ahmadiyya Muslims, who know your next student comes from them!
07-01-2014, 09:26 AM
cacian

what is the meaning of fasting?
why does one need to stop eating and drinking to prove something else?
I thought doing is not towards oneself but towards others?
how does one who is dying from hunger benefits from those who fast all day for a month?
07-01-2014, 02:11 PM
saralynn

I am sure Valish will provide a more thorough answer, but I think it is a way of demonstrating....mostly to ourselves....that we have free will. Only those who resist temptation know how powerful a drive it is. One part of you says, "I want", another part says, "No". Saying "No" is the essence of freedom, don't you think?

You seem to be a very practical fellow, cacian. You may never become a saint, but you might make a very good social worker.
07-01-2014, 02:22 PM
cacian

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Originally Posted by saralynn

I am sure Valish will provide a more thorough answer, but I think it is a way of demonstrating....mostly to ourselves....that we have free will.

I thought Ramadan was not free will. one abstains from nourishing oneself because one is being told not do.
free will is the opposite. it is to do. one does because one is free.

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Only those who resist temptation know how powerful a drive it is. One part of you says, "I want", another part says, "No". Saying "No" is the essence of freedom, don't you think?

temptation I understand it to be different.
hunger is a natural process it does not involve temptation it is the body needing nourishment to keep up with life.
temptation is to do something against ourselves that we may not believe in. it is usually associated with something not comfortable.
the essence of freedom is to go with your instinct and do what we believe is right for us.
freedom is taking our own decisions and learning to become independent of what others dictate us to do.
yes and no is a dilemma which often results in confusion. stress related confusion.

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You seem to be a very practical fellow, cacian. You may never become a saint, but you might make a very good social worker.

LOL this made me laugh.
07-01-2014, 03:01 PM
saralynn

Well, I have never been a Muslim, but I have been devout in my own idiosyncratic way (borrow from this and that) and I never performed any rituals because I was told to do so. For instance, when I was enthusiastic about Patanjali, I abstained, to a reasonable extent, from using the word "I" for about two weeks. This discipline taught me two things. One, was how often I talked in reference to myself. (not surprising, I suppose, but revealing nonetheless) The second thing it taught me was to recognize how unconscious I was most of the time.

I've never fasted, but I assume there are lessons to be learned as a result of this spiritual discipline. In addition to this, there is the symbolic meaning attached to the process. One is sacrificing for one's beloved, who is usually a reflection of one's highest ideals. It can be an act of love and the act itself increases one's devotion. This may be hard to understand if you are not religiously inclined, but it is real. It is sort of like how waving a flag makes you feel more patriotic

Of course, you are right....many fast because they are told to do so. Many read Shakespeare for the same reason. This does not reflect on Shakespeare, it demonstrates how his work is approached by different people at varying levels of intellectual/emotional maturity. It's the same with sacred literature and the rituals associated with various religious traditions.

I am glad you chuckled at the social worker comment. A few minutes after I posted, I worried that I may be seen as tactless, or, as my mother used to say when she reprimanded me, "Stop acting like a little snot!"
07-01-2014, 03:21 PM
kev67

Difficult month for it this year with the days being so long.
07-01-2014, 03:30 PM
cacian

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Originally Posted by kev67

Difficult month for it this year with the days being so long.

hard is not a word but one has to do one has to do and others do just as they please life goes on so long as one does not begrudge it it did not warn.
life is funny like that.
07-01-2014, 04:09 PM
YesNo

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Originally Posted by YALASH

Peace be on you.
The Ramadhan is very near. The basic aim of this worship is to attain righteousness which lead to nearness of Allah the Exalted. Holy Quran says:

[ch2:v184] O ye who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may become righteous.

[ch2:v187] And when My servants ask thee about Me, say: ‘I am near. I answer the prayer of the supplicant when he prays to Me. So they should hearken to Me and believe in Me, that they may follow the right way.’

Becoming righteous seems like a good reason to fast. Outside of dieting fasting is not something I have usually done and dieting probably doesn't count. Some say prayers before they eat. Others pay attention as they eat as a form of meditation.
07-02-2014, 02:07 PM
YALASH

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Originally Posted by cacian

what is the meaning of fasting?
why does one need to stop eating and drinking to prove something else?
I thought doing is not towards oneself but towards others?
how does one who is dying from hunger benefits from those who fast all day for a month?

Peace be on you.
"The truth is one cannot talk about a place that one does not go to and is not aware about. Fasting is not merely staying hungry and thirsty; rather its reality and its impact can only be gained through experience...."
=Less eating and focused remembrance of God enhances spiritual capacities, patience and understanding of suffering who has less.
=Saying 'yes' to God shows how much you practically cares the Call.
=Ramdhan fasting glows one from inside and the light of good thoughts and prayers radiates to external world.
=When one Fasts for the sake of God, one knows by practice how it feels when:
i.... there is no water, no food
ii....there is water and food in sight but one is not allowed to get
Then a courage develops for those who lack necessities.
=Ramadhan Fasting gives a faithful time-less journey. If one lives in Developed word, one may never know How hunger is felt? This Fasting will surely take them to Under-developed world by practice, not through news/media pictures.
== Ramadhan fasting connects one to Allah and help one to have practical feeling for His creation, even for a sparrow looking for seed and water.
07-02-2014, 02:08 PM
YALASH

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Originally Posted by kev67

Difficult month for it this year with the days being so long.

Peace be on you...True but more reward too.
07-02-2014, 02:11 PM
YALASH

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Originally Posted by saralynn

Well, I have never been a Muslim, .................................................. .. One is sacrificing for one's beloved, who is usually a reflection of one's highest ideals. It can be an act of love and the act itself increases one's devotion. This may be hard to understand if you are not religiously inclined, but it is real. It is sort of like how waving a flag makes you feel more patriotic

.....................................

Peace be on you...Very nice explanation.
07-02-2014, 02:23 PM
YALASH

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Originally Posted by YesNo

Becoming righteous seems like a good reason to fast. Outside of dieting fasting is not something I have usually done and dieting probably doesn't count. Some say prayers before they eat. Others pay attention as they eat as a form of meditation.

Peace be on you. Thank you.
07-02-2014, 07:46 PM
saralynn

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Originally Posted by cacian

hard is not a word but one has to do one has to do and others do just as they please life goes on so long as one does not begrudge it it did not warn.
life is funny like that.

Is this a line from a song or a poem or are you just trying to annoy me because you have found out that I occasionally do proofreading? (Occasionally! Please don't stalk me, looking for errors in my posts.)
07-02-2014, 10:06 PM
tailor STATELY

Fasting is a major tenet in my faith as well. Fasting with prayer and purpose is a powerful way to become more receptive to the Spirit, hence closer to our Heavenly Father. An LDS primer to fasting in my faith: https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-pr...sting?lang=eng

Ta ! (short for tarradiddle),
tailor STATELY
07-03-2014, 02:14 AM
cacian

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Originally Posted by saralynn

Is this a line from a song or a poem or are you just trying to annoy me because you have found out that I occasionally do proofreading? (Occasionally! Please don't stalk me, looking for errors in my posts.)

saralyn how do you mean proofreading?
no this is not a song or a poem I was just saying that life if fragile if we are fragile with it.
in other words if and when we do things we have to ensure we do because we truly understand them otherwise the consequences may not be what we expect them to be.
fasting is a big act and to make others fast children and others is a big responsibility,
just because I feel something makes special does not mean I have the right to make others do it.
07-03-2014, 02:32 AM
cacian

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Originally Posted by saralynn

Well, I have never been a Muslim, but I have been devout in my own idiosyncratic way (borrow from this and that) and I never performed any rituals because I was told to do so. For instance, when I was enthusiastic about Patanjali, I abstained, to a reasonable extent, from using the word "I" for about two weeks. This discipline taught me two things. One, was how often I talked in reference to myself. (not surprising, I suppose, but revealing nonetheless) The second thing it taught me was to recognize how unconscious I was most of the time.

wow that for me sounds quite debilitating. speech is free form I am not sure it is a good idea. I would not do it.
what made you look for things such as these to do?
I have only ever done one thing because of someone else. My ex boyfriend decided to go vegetarian because his sister was.
I did too. I did not decide it just happen. I stuck to it for a while and he did too and then we both gave up.
we were in Spain and there was no away we could have kept to. there is no vegetarianism in Spain. it is a full on meat country.
I am glad now we did. god knows how long it would have gone on for. I think I was getting a bit bored from being limited in things I could have in life.
I did not like to think about what I could not eat. I wanted spontaneity which I love.

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I've never fasted, but I assume there are lessons to be learned as a result of this spiritual discipline. In addition to this, there is the symbolic meaning attached to the process. One is sacrificing for one's beloved, who is usually a reflection of one's highest ideals. It can be an act of love and the act itself increases one's devotion. This may be hard to understand if you are not religiously inclined, but it is real. It is sort of like how waving a flag makes you feel more patriotic

fasting to me is a discipline. it just mean one cannot eat for a few hours and then eat again.
I don't need to be religious to think it is a bit extreme.
I do not see how it could increase devotion because whilst nature oozes food nutriment one is not eating it and so I consider it a waste.
the other thing is that when one is not hydrated in the heat it is not safe heath.
anyway each to their own.
the one thing I believe in is that piety is not once a year .it is everyday and it is not an act it is a fact a mental belief.

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Of course, you are right....many fast because they are told to do so. Many read Shakespeare for the same reason. This does not reflect on Shakespeare, it demonstrates how his work is approached by different people at varying levels of intellectual/emotional maturity. It's the same with sacred literature and the rituals associated with various religious traditions

why do you compare fasting to Shakespeare?
oh and I always wondered why it was called fast as in speed??

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I am glad you chuckled at the social worker comment. A few minutes after I posted, I worried that I may be seen as tactless, or, as my mother used to say when she reprimanded me, "Stop acting like a little snot!"

haha that is funny :)
07-04-2014, 02:36 PM
saralynn

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Cacian: wow that for me sounds quite debilitating. speech is free form I am not sure it is a good idea. I would not do it.
what made you look for things such as these to do?
I have only ever done one thing because of someone else. My ex boyfriend decided to go vegetarian because his sister was.
I did too. I did not decide it just happen. I stuck to it for a while and he did too and then we both gave up.
we were in Spain and there was no away we could have kept to. there is no vegetarianism in Spain. it is a full on meat country.
I am glad now we did. god knows how long it would have gone on for. I think I was getting a bit bored from being limited in things I could have in life.
I did not like to think about what I could not eat. I wanted spontaneity which I love.

It increases self-awareness and you become more conscious of being unconscious. That is important to me.

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Cacian: fasting to me is a discipline. it just mean one cannot eat for a few hours and then eat again.
I don't need to be religious to think it is a bit extreme.
I do not see how it could increase devotion because whilst nature oozes food nutriment one is not eating it and so I consider it a waste.
the other thing is that when one is not hydrated in the heat it is not safe heath.
anyway each to their own.
the one thing I believe in is that piety is not once a year .it is everyday and it is not an act it is a fact a mental belief.

Yep, each his own. It might be a matter of temperament. It's always puzzled me why some people are drawn to delving into religious questions and others are not, but it is obviously so. I have always had this inclinations since I was a child and have no explanation for it. I grew up in a staunchly secular home, which may or may not be relevant.

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Cacian: why do you compare fasting to Shakespeare?
oh and I always wondered why it was called fast as in speed??

Because many people (perhaps the majority) might be puzzled why anyone would appreciate Shakespeare in the same way that many people (perhaps a majority) would find an appreciation for fasting bewildering.

Have no idea where the word "fast" originates.