do you see yourself in every story or poem you write? or is it totally fictional?
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do you see yourself in every story or poem you write? or is it totally fictional?
If I write it, what do you expect?
Hello:)
I think that leave a part of me although I don`t like it at all.
If art is created by an artist and the art would not exist without the artist, how can the art not have some part of the artist in it?
Talk about a tongue twister! :D
Not so much a tongue-twister as another pointless cacian question,
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Have you ever posted something positive on this forum? If you hate everyone/everything on this forum so much you can always leave, you know. I can never understand why people like you and calfolini are always negative about virtually everything except towards certain forum members who you agree with/compliment regardless of whatever they post. It's got me wondering if you're both the same person using different forum accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hillwalker
Here it goes. For you: something positive. ROFLMAO
I don't think you quite understand, Adolescent09. hillwalker is a treasure, and he gives a lot of terrific feedback to writers at all stages. He is keeping this whole place honest. You do not always have to agree with his opinion, and he can be a tough critic sometimes, but he keeps this place real, he thinks carefully about other people's work (often a whole lot more than the people originally posting it! :0) and gives his feedback without holding back too much. Without hillwalker and other people like him here on this forum, you'd be stuck with people who nod their heads and say 'wow,' no matter what crap people write.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolescent09
cafolini I really don't know so well to give an opinion on. But he is also quite forthright with his own opinions, and does give positive comments when he likes something. Still, he does comment. Some people don't comment at all.
If something is a product of the self, then it must follow that some element of the self is present in the product. Now I'm all for the whole Roland-Barthes-death-of-the-author malarky - a major necessity for me given that 99% of the literature I work with is anonymous - but I imagine it would only be possible to write a non-personalised text if you at no point engaged your brain in the process of writing it. Which, one would expect, would make it a very poor piece of work.
Hillwalker is treasure of this forum. Everyone has the right to gie his/ her opinion here. If you don`t like, you don`t have to be here too. I don`t think that Phil is always negative. He helped me many times here and I am gratefull for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolescent09
What do you think about Barthes? Have you read "Mythologies"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokasenna
i expect a mixture or a separation. one is to apply fiction its real meaning and if the write is involved with it then where is the meaning gone?Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
why not? if you do not like it why do it?Quote:
Originally Posted by hannah_arendt
hehe tongue twister Chinese whisper more like !:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Adolescent09
i guess if one is to be abtract in art then abstract ideas and not of one's own is what is required non? i often write away from my own feelings because abstract iwhat i am after. i think fictional i write fictional i think personal then i write personal. detachement is involved when is abstract is what is wanted.
only speculating of course but i am aware of it when i write. :)
Well, I don`t bother it. Most people don`t know that it`s about me for example. I don`t like talking about myself directly. When I was younger, writing was a kind of therapy for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
Adolescent,
For those of us that write prose on a consistent basis and look for feedback (there's a small group on this forum) Hillwalker is the only reason we keep coming back. He gives excellent critiques and interacts with honesty.
Very few people actually comment on stories here, and some people look to just rip things apart leaving nothing to be gained from the experience. Hillwalker rips people apart when they deserve it. The guy puts hours in to read newbie stories and type up comprehensive reviews, something few people are willing or generous enough to do.
This question is inane. The wording personalize doesn't make sense in context. Everything written by any person is personalized. Hardly a ground breaking topic.
I see what you mean writing is therapy but I was wondering would it work better if you had written you in a better light as to correct what went wrong. I am a great believer in changing words for the better. what I mean is if I had a nasty experience say in the past I would incorporate it in the story but improving it rather then telling it as it happened. Positive writing is also therapy. that way my story is totally fictional.Quote:
Originally Posted by hannah_arendt
According my husband I should write in more positive way although I don`t find my writing as pesimistic. Of course looking at your text after some times is always very good. I did it many times. However you have to have times for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
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Originally Posted by cacian
Hi Grit. I don't mean to single you out as there are others here who have posted your same sentiment. So, to all of those, surely cacian knows that there is some level of personalization (spelled with an "s" over the pond) in all artistic works but it seems to me that she is going beyond that foundational level of the obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grit
There are varying degrees of personalization. "The cow jumped over the moon and the dish ran away with the spoon" is a lot less personal than "when I awoke, I felt you warm and near, I kissed your honey hair with my grateful tears" (paul simon), or Sylvia Plath's prose and poetry about her personal struggles with depression.
With that said, however, I think I would have been a little more interested if the question was, "Do you feel your prose or poetry would be more engaging if it reflected more of your personal feelings and experiences?". Actually, there's an audience for all types of writings. And the beauty of creating is the freedom we all have to express whatever we want to.
Hillwalker could be more polite in his criticism, but then again his avatar of Simon Cowell explains and almost excuses his tongue-in-cheek delivery by his own admission...I did say "almost" :hand:
cacian... how exactly are you defining "personalizing writing?" You ask: "do you see yourself in every story or poem you write? or is it totally fictional?" Can't you see yourself in a work of art and yet said work remain wholly fictional? As a painter I find little in my work that I see as autobiographical. My work is wholly fictive. Yet I am certainly in my work in my choices of how to use the materials at my disposal: color, line, shape, form, etc... This is the reason that those with a degree of experience in art can recognize the hand of a given artist... it is as unique as a signature. I suspect the same is true of my writing... it is colored by my choices of vocabulary, my use of syntax, and all the other formal elements of writing that evolved over time in response to what I read and what I admire, etc...
Here we disagree rather rotundly, because for the writing to hold meaning regardless of appearance, the writer must know and be a master of the psychology he uses. I don't see guesses as being important to good writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melanie
BTW, I'd look into Edgar Degas position regarding this for the extreme, and Van Gogh for the same stuff in gentle gear.
Guesses? I'm sorry but I've read your comment multiple times, cafolini, and have no idea what I said that you "rotundly disagree" with.
What Adolescent09 is trying to point out here is that maybe he has come across certain comments of the senior member (which he mentioned of) which tends to be sarcastic in nature (correct me if i am wrong Adolescent09). It has to be appreciated,no doubt when anyone gives up his/her precious time in guiding someone in their ambitions but yes i have also come across certain members` comments which, as of late, stresses more on character assasination rather than giving critique on the posters works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolescent09
It is the same case everywhere on the web, you should have been used to it by now. Adolescent09 did not say that someone is or is not offering a helping hand but of the tone by which they use to do so and it is clear that what he wanted to say was that certain members are partial towards other members or friends in doing so.Quote:
I can never understand why people like you and calfolini are always negative about virtually everything except towards certain forum members who you agree with/compliment regardless of whatever they post.
Adolescent09, we have to keep it in mind that this virtual world, to which we label as the web, is more or less like our real world where we reside and breathe in, rather it wont be far -fetched if we consider that the perils of being in a virtual world are more long lasting and distressing when compared to the our world.Quote:
It's got me wondering if you're both the same person using different forum accounts.
This side of the world gives ample opportunity to display our other side which unmasks the mask we wear in the real world. Its helps in bringing out the animalistic nature of ours which otherwise, lies dormant within. Why Animalistic? because it is obvious that certain users like to hunt in packs. As a matter of fact it is not a secret that having multi-faceted personalities and and or accounts is the norm nowadays, similar on the lines of Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde story,which rings true in nets today. It is just so commonplace in net today that it has become a part of our subconscious and whenever we happen to encounter certain aspects, it`s like deja vu feeling.
Now, I am not talking about any members here , since i myself am new here and i hardly know anyone, but just generalising what web world is all about
Of course we all personalize, to some extent. We can't help it. We leave at the least, our particular fingerprints behind.
Well I mean to say is this: do you the writer enter into a personal scenario/debate in the stories that you write? because if it is the case then maybe a new way of writing is to not get involved personally for various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by stlukesguild
One of the reason is that the less personal we are in our writing the better view we have of what we write and why we write. Imagination is about creating a world where none us has been before. To personalise writing is to put oneself in the picture and therefore exposes more of what we know and nothing of what we do not know and therefore writing becomes too obvious . Fictional must be kept to its true meaning if we are to write to the true meaning of the words.
Well I think actually we can and should help it if we are to create a new web of imagination. I always write away from me because I feel I need to explore more of what I do not know because what is not known is worth more then the things we already know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Hunley
You are always at least up to your knees in it. And when there is a trench on your way, you disappear.
What drugs do you take to achieve this? And how exactly is 'what we don't know' worth more than 'what we know'?Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
You're just adding to the drivel with pronouncements like this.
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I think you have to write from your own experience, so from that standpoint, every story has pieces of you in it, yes.
However, I also feel great writers know themselves well, and are able to have a story be completely devoid of anything they truly feel, if they wish.
Yes. He is indeed a harsh critic; but after all, saying that a persons questions are pointless and than not providing any assistance on how to find less pointless questions, or rather just insulting someone and leaving: that is, as you say, 'terrific feedback'. It is a shame that a doctor did not provide such feedback to his mother when she was pregnant. We might not have to deal with this 'H' if she had been aware of the lurking monster in her stomach, and dealt with the issue. But it is alright! He is a 'treasure', after all. Keeps the place 'real'. I wonder how he thinks about literature when all he seems to care about is his lastest 'witty' retort to cacian - a poor soul who clearly needs help to understand the world around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silas Thorne
It seems strange that you condemn people who praise 'crap' when you do exactly the same thing to this self-important fool. All I can say is that if he gives the best feedback on the site we all might as well burn our keyboards and our paper, or do it all by ourselves. I'm disgusted by your sycophantic fellatio of hillwalker and I shall try to avoid the incoming crepitations of that amorphous blob of indignant stupidity.
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Since this debate turned into a personal discussion,
it will now be closed.
Those who insist on targeting others will receive infraction points.
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