are they the conflict or the basis of religion?
In other word
Does religion only exists because of the idea of Sin ?
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are they the conflict or the basis of religion?
In other word
Does religion only exists because of the idea of Sin ?
Cacian,
You strike my funny-bone. You’re a living paradox. There is no resolution.
In another post which I commented on, you said a world without religion would be best.
Okay fine. So why do you question religion? Can anyone possibly appease you? Can anyone on this planet possibly turn you toward God? Or is nit-picking religious people a past-time of yours?
As a Christian, I don’t question why people conduct satanic rituals or practice witchcraft or are atheists.
Because, in a nutshell: I really don’t care.
As per your question:
If I sin, I need God’s forgiveness.
If I never sin, I need God’s Salvation.
God begats religion. For a more a thorough answer, I recommend The Holy Bible, the Quran or some other Good Book that is super highly popular.
But we’re cool, right?
You're definitely missing Cacian's point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Grass
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Bad Grass
Hi Bad Grass
I really I am not nit-picking but merely reflecting on why religion is dated with all due respect to you.
I am absolutely not trying to put any religious person down, their beliefs or gods for that matter.
I simply think there is a big difference between believing in god and religion.
I see them as two very distinctive concepts.
The thread is simply to put forward a question to test if whoever created this notion of religion, which is en effect a coming together of a large number of people to worship a being that might or might not like ot be worshipped in this way, to justify these heavy duty concepts I stated above.
Who is to tell that god wants us all to go to mass and mosques or confessions and so on?
And who says that sin is part of this worship and we are to behave ourselves in a certain way. It feels to me a kind of a dictaroship, a goddly heavy handed institution that scares a lot of people believe or not.
If we know that god is a perfect being then he/she do not expect us to be perfect to and so we are bound to make mistakes or sin for whatever reason.
In other word it is expected of us to fail sometimes.
why make sin and hell part of a religious duty that lots practice but are terrified of.
Who says hell exists and why salvation?
What are we saved from ? ourselves? God?
I mean I can go on couldn't I...:)
Sin has always been a violation of a rule which in another culture was not sin. Confession has always been a promise to not repeat the sin in exchange for mercy from authority.
OR
To kill the mystery is the cardinal sin.
I'd rather live without excuse than beg forgiveness.
So says he who is never caught.
He who is never caught is innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Grass
I am guilty of cruelty to animals. I will live with the guilt.
Guilt leads to repentance. If what you say is true.
I shall repent of nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Grass
"They'll never catch me... because I'm f***ing innocent." - Dignan from Bottle Rocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
In what way/s are you cruel to animals?
I eat them for one thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin
Serial killer. :)
I feel true guilt for only one sin. It was a test of God, he failed.
Or maybe it was you who failed?Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
Hey, GL....when did you get back?
I got back a few days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC
I failed, he failed. What difference does it make? It's done now.
I don't know how anyone could fail their own creator. A true artist would recognize his mistakes and failings and not take umbrage at someone scorning their flaws (big IF there is such a creator).
It's perspective...Quote:
Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin
"God's only excuse is that he does not exist."Quote:
Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC
Stendhal
Well, by now you know I'm a shameless girl, Bien.
New rule for me this year...I'm not going to argue about it, so we can just disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
There's no argument about it, it is a statement of fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC
When he made you in his image?
He made a copy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buh4Bee
It sounds like the ginger breadman rhyme..it goes something like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin
Along came a horse who wanted a snack
But the gingerbread man, he never looked back
Run, run, as fast as you can
You can't catch me, I'm the gingerbread man
I'm the gingerbread man and I'm out of the pan! :biggrin5:
what about plants and vegetables? you eat them too right?Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
'go say that to the word GOD'.Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
If a word is there then one needs jusifying why it's there.
a copy?Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
why not an original? or a second hand one? or a different one?
The possibilities are endless ...
Unicorns are discussed in the Bible also, do I need to justify that reality? I feel no need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
well when a word is created then the concept is invented.Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
unicorn exists in films you have seen them.
I'm not a concept, and I reckon God isn't too if he exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
you have a name so you are/exist. and not a concept you are a being.Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
concept/idea/object/being they are all the same more or less.
If you call something something then it must be/exist in concept or in object.
the issue here is that one can deny the existence of what a word is suggesting/ the concept, but one cannot get rid of the word.
It is not possible to erase a word.
The Christians have erased entire libraries, what is so mighty about a word?Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
It is not about a mightyness it is about a word.Quote:
Originally Posted by G L Wilson
Once someone creates a word, any word, one cannot erase it from the language.
You might hide it, don't talk about, don't use it in your writing, speaking but you cannot physically remove it from the dictionary or the language because of memory.
Memory and language are entertwined.
Different religions may have different sacles of sins. I don't think religion exists because of the idea of Sin，but the belief!
Sin and Confession... is what keeps a Church active physically i suppose. When someone does something wrong they feel the need to remove themselves of the guilt, so they confess it to a priest/pastor/precher/whatever stands at the pulpit in your house of worship. This gives a feeling of relief and absolution a feeling that says it was okay to Do Wrong (Sin) that all you have to do is Confess to it and that all is right. When it is not and it is rather frightening menatality that could occur within a person, becuae if it is okay to wrong another how long will it be before it is okay to kill a person and that confession will make what you did okay? As towards Church, yes it is the main part of it, but it is mostly a branch off of Faith, the belief that there is right and wrong. The Bible or watever holy text corresponds with your religion (which is in all necessity a book of childrens tales with conclusions that can influence a young mind into identifying right/wrong and what values a person ought to uphold), is the embodiement of all of that religion, becuase religion is just a comfort to assure people that what they do affects more than just themselves.
Which is why I am not a practitioner of any religion, I do not need another person to reassure what i already know... that everything I do affects the people around me and that I, as an individual, have an impact on any persons day through what i say and how i interact.
So No, religion can exist without Sin and Confession there just would be no set of morals and just belief (becuase if there is no sin then there is no known form of what is right or wrong), so it would be only the blind worship of a higher being (either due to fear, peer pressure, upbringing), and a society without order in which the only major things that were of importance would be Food, Worship, Shelter, Mating... But yes it is a major underlying basis that most priests and practioners would disagree as a founding componant, sin and confession is more of a reaction to what Faith and Morals are presented.
That is my take on the subject :)