revenge in literature

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11-19-2009, 09:27 AM
Dorien

revenge in literature

Hey people,
I'm new here so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not completely on terms.

Anyway, I'm in the process of writing an essay on revenge in literature, and I did some research. I searched in my hometowns library but I couldn’t find anything.

I need to write how the subject revenge has evolved in the literature and the diffrent types of revenge in literature.

And also, if you have any other good tips on non-fiction essays or books that deal with revenge in literature, please indulge me.

Dorien
11-19-2009, 11:04 AM
kiki1982

If you are looking for examples within literature:

Emily Brontë, Wuthering Heights (Heathcliff)
Alexandre Dumas, The Count of Monte-Cristo, (The Three Musketeers (there is a case for Milady, but I don't know if there is any criticism on that),) Twenty Years After (Mordaunt), The Vicomte de Bragelonne (De Wardes who comes to take revenge for the death of his father)

Was there not something too between Achilles and Hector in the Iliad (Homer)? Someone will have to help me out there.

There should be several acts of revenge in the Bible. One of which is the Book of Esther where someone refuses to bow to someone else and he contrives to have all Jews killed or so. The whole book is only 3 pages so you can read it easily.

There should be a number of old Germanic stories about revenge. Among which Beowulf if I can believe the cover of my copy.

It is astonishing how much entered and how little came out, but it's a start.
11-19-2009, 11:43 AM
shortstoryfan

Hey Dorien,

Hometown libraries can be very discouraging. Most schools have searchable databases of scholarly journals these days (even high schools). My high school had EBSCO, and though I never used it (because I got through high school without writing one real essay), I'm sure it could have helped me. University libraries also have these databases, as well as many texts. I'm not sure how well stocked some university libraries are though. I'm lucky, cause my university has a fantastic library. A lot of libraries also have interlibrary loan, where you can ask for a book that another library has to be sent to your home library for checkout.

I think finding work that deals with revenge in literature through history may be a little hard to do, but maybe that can be something you discuss in your essay? I did a quick search on my school's database, and there is some scholarship out there for specific works. I also don't know if there will be anything that classifies different types of revenge, but maybe that is something else you could attend to after you research.

Good luck!
11-19-2009, 11:52 AM
Lokasenna

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki1982

There should be a number of old Germanic stories about revenge. Among which Beowulf if I can believe the cover of my copy.

Beowulf... hmm... there are better examples, though I suppose it would do. On a similar note, try some Old Norse literature... you can't move for blood feuds! Try Laxdœla saga (The Saga of the People of Laxárdalur) for starters... its relatively short, highly readable, and contains a lot of revenge. Njáls saga (The Saga of the Burning of Njál) is even better, though it is longer and heavier going; it is, however, a fantastic tale of revenge!

For Old English, I'd actually suggest Judith over Beowulf - I think the theme of revenge is more clear cut, and its shorter than Beowulf!

As for secondary reading, there are literally hundreds of books and articles on the subject of revenge and feud in Old Norse and Old English literature.
11-19-2009, 01:07 PM
kelby_lake

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dorien

Hey people,
I'm new here so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not completely on terms.

Anyway, I'm in the process of writing an essay on revenge in literature, and I did some research. I searched in my hometowns library but I couldn’t find anything.

I need to write how the subject revenge has evolved in the literature and the diffrent types of revenge in literature.

And also, if you have any other good tips on non-fiction essays or books that deal with revenge in literature, please indulge me.

Dorien

Look at Wuthering Heights.

There's a load of plays from the 1500's-1600's called the 'revenge' tragedies. Most famous one is The Spanish Tragedy by Thomas Kyd, and Hamlet by you-know-who.
11-19-2009, 01:38 PM
kiki1982

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lokasenna

Beowulf... hmm... there are better examples, though I suppose it would do. On a similar note, try some Old Norse literature... you can't move for blood feuds! Try Laxdœla saga (The Saga of the People of Laxárdalur) for starters... its relatively short, highly readable, and contains a lot of revenge. Njáls saga (The Saga of the Burning of Njál) is even better, though it is longer and heavier going; it is, however, a fantastic tale of revenge!

For Old English, I'd actually suggest Judith over Beowulf - I think the theme of revenge is more clear cut, and its shorter than Beowulf!

I knew you'd come and have more to say about it! :D My cover talked of the the mother of Grendel who is supposed to be avengeful... I haven't read it because it's in modern translation :( and I don't like that. I like to have the original next to it...
11-19-2009, 02:26 PM
Lokasenna

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki1982

I knew you'd come and have more to say about it! :D My cover talked of the the mother of Grendel who is supposed to be avengeful... I haven't read it because it's in modern translation :( and I don't like that. I like to have the original next to it...

She is in a sense (as is the dragon, in an even looser sense), but the poem really isn't interested in their motivations, and doesn't dwell upon them much - the poet is interested in Grendel, but his motivations have little to do with revenge in any specific sense.

As for a modern translation, there's nothing wrong with that (unless its Seamus Heaney's, which just isn't very good). That said, if you're looking for a version of the original text, then I heartily suggest you have a look at George Jack's Beowulf: A Student Edition - it glosses all the hard words and unravels all the obscure phrases!
11-19-2009, 03:13 PM
kiki1982

Thank you for the tip! I'll certainly write it down and have a look.

Expensive?
11-19-2009, 03:46 PM
Lokasenna

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki1982

Thank you for the tip! I'll certainly write it down and have a look.

Expensive?

Not really - it is a student edition. You can probably find it for £15 or so, I would imagine!
11-19-2009, 04:30 PM
Lulim

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki1982

(...) Was there not something too between Achilles and Hector in the Iliad (Homer)? Someone will have to help me out there. (...)

It was Achiles who took revenge on Hector for slaying Patroklos.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki1982

(...)There should be a number of old Germanic stories about revenge. Among which Beowulf if I can believe the cover of my copy. (...)

Perhaps the Nibelungen-Saga: Kriemhilds revenge.
11-19-2009, 04:40 PM
Helga

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lokasenna

Beowulf... hmm... there are better examples, though I suppose it would do. On a similar note, try some Old Norse literature... you can't move for blood feuds! Try Laxdœla saga (The Saga of the People of Laxárdalur) for starters... its relatively short, highly readable, and contains a lot of revenge. Njáls saga (The Saga of the Burning of Njál) is even better, though it is longer and heavier going; it is, however, a fantastic tale of revenge!

For Old English, I'd actually suggest Judith over Beowulf - I think the theme of revenge is more clear cut, and its shorter than Beowulf!

As for secondary reading, there are literally hundreds of books and articles on the subject of revenge and feud in Old Norse and Old English literature.

I'm impressed by your knowledge in Icelandic literature Lokasenna..... there aren't that many who have read Njáls saga!
11-19-2009, 05:11 PM
OrphanPip

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helga

I'm impressed by your knowledge in Icelandic literature Lokasenna..... there aren't that many who have read Njáls saga!

Oh I have a copy of it, but I've never gotten a chance to read it. My brother brought it back from a business trip to Iceland.
11-19-2009, 05:14 PM
Lokasenna

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helga

I'm impressed by your knowledge in Icelandic literature Lokasenna..... there aren't that many who have read Njáls saga!

More's the pity - its such a wonderful text!

I'm actually doing a masters in Medieval literature at the moment, though Old Norse and Anglo-Saxon is where my real passion lies. My PhD, currently in the planning stages, is going to be Old Norse all the way!

So, I guess I kind of have an advantage...:D
11-19-2009, 05:26 PM
OrphanPip

Morte D'Artur by Sir Thomas Malory dealt with a revenge theme in a way. Somewhat with the conflict between Lancelot and Arthur, but more involving Gawain's motivations.
11-19-2009, 05:36 PM
The Comedian

Well, if you like comics, then V for Vendetta (Moore/Lloyd) is a good read for revenge-themed narrative.
11-19-2009, 06:34 PM
sixsmith

One of the many themes of Moby Dick?
11-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Paulclem

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelby_lake

Look at Wuthering Heights.

There's a load of plays from the 1500's-1600's called the 'revenge' tragedies. Most famous one is The Spanish Tragedy by Thomas Kyd, and Hamlet by you-know-who.

There's also The Revenger' Tragedy attributed to Middleton.
11-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Lightfoot Roads

Good Morning, Dorien!

Start with classical mythology and tragedy plays. Mythology was just old fashioned science fiction, so the audience was encouraged to look at a character's motivations and reasonings and faults. The actual dirty deed were off stage (ob scene) as much for the protection of the society as to focus the attention on the character. The Illiad has a lot of revenge, and so does Electra and OEdepus, so that you know that not all revenge involves murder. There's that Ring thing Wagner wrote up, lots of revenge there. Macbeth, Richard the Third, and Othello - several people nursing grudges and grinding axes. Frankenstein and Moby Dick illustrate both real and apparent revenge.

Opera is a great 'on the hoof' source of revenge observation. Turandot portrays a vengeful princess, Carmen worked at it, and there's some in The Pearl Fishers. Rigoletto (a must see) and Nabucco, and Il Trovatorre has several axe grinders :grin: Di Luna, Acuzena and perhaps, not in a minor way, Ruiz. Let's not forget Faust! or Don Carlo.

Well, that's my bit, you may also find some shortcuts, especially for the operas, on YouTube, but I wish you a good essay!

LR
11-22-2009, 12:14 AM
hellsapoppin

The Cask of Amontillado by Poe is the greatest story on the subject.
11-22-2009, 02:30 AM
JuniperWoolf

Ovid's story about Philomela and Procne getting revenge on Tereus was pretty frickin' awesome. So awesome in fact that I think South Park borrowed the idea for an episode (the one where Cartman made Scott Timmerman's parents into chili and then fed them to him, bringing Cartman to a whole new level of evil).
11-22-2009, 01:35 PM
kelby_lake

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulclem

There's also The Revenger' Tragedy attributed to Middleton.

Titus Andronicus, too, if you want something really bloody.
Electra and Medea are both good examples of revenge in literature (and you've got female avengers).
11-22-2009, 07:24 PM
ForKnowledge

Maybe you should start with homer, remember my english teacher talking about how people would wish each other well by saying "death to your enemies" and how that way of thinking was common before jesus.
11-23-2009, 06:35 PM
FrankMarcopolos

Agree with hellsapoppin... Cask is the greatest story on the subject. Audio version of the story comes out tomorrow on my website.
11-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Dorien

Quote:

Originally Posted by shortstoryfan

Hey Dorien,

Hometown libraries can be very discouraging. Most schools have searchable databases of scholarly journals these days (even high schools). My high school had EBSCO, and though I never used it (because I got through high school without writing one real essay), I'm sure it could have helped me. University libraries also have these databases, as well as many texts. I'm not sure how well stocked some university libraries are though. I'm lucky, cause my university has a fantastic library. A lot of libraries also have interlibrary loan, where you can ask for a book that another library has to be sent to your home library for checkout.

I think finding work that deals with revenge in literature through history may be a little hard to do, but maybe that can be something you discuss in your essay? I did a quick search on my school's database, and there is some scholarship out there for specific works. I also don't know if there will be anything that classifies different types of revenge, but maybe that is something else you could attend to after you research.

Good luck!

Thanks for the tip
In Belgium high schools don't really have great libraries, but I'm definitely going to take a look in a university librarie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightfoot Roads

Good Morning, Dorien!

Start with classical mythology and tragedy plays. Mythology was just old fashioned science fiction, so the audience was encouraged to look at a character's motivations and reasonings and faults. The actual dirty deed were off stage (ob scene) as much for the protection of the society as to focus the attention on the character. The Illiad has a lot of revenge, and so does Electra and OEdepus, so that you know that not all revenge involves murder. There's that Ring thing Wagner wrote up, lots of revenge there. Macbeth, Richard the Third, and Othello - several people nursing grudges and grinding axes. Frankenstein and Moby Dick illustrate both real and apparent revenge.

Opera is a great 'on the hoof' source of revenge observation. Turandot portrays a vengeful princess, Carmen worked at it, and there's some in The Pearl Fishers. Rigoletto (a must see) and Nabucco, and Il Trovatorre has several axe grinders :grin: Di Luna, Acuzena and perhaps, not in a minor way, Ruiz. Let's not forget Faust! or Don Carlo.

Well, that's my bit, you may also find some shortcuts, especially for the operas, on YouTube, but I wish you a good essay!

LR

Thanks this is a great help the research isn't really going well but now I can go further thanks to your help :)