Hey, I'm just on the third chapter right now, and I am kind of enjoying it. Can anyone give me any hints as to what's going to happen without spoiling it? Just a paragraph summary or something....
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Hey, I'm just on the third chapter right now, and I am kind of enjoying it. Can anyone give me any hints as to what's going to happen without spoiling it? Just a paragraph summary or something....
Yes, so you want a little hint without spoiling it...:goof: Easy you are!
Anyway, they are setting off to Barton now, I think. So, they will live there, they'll meet a few new people and Marianne will still fall in love with someone. There is also a trip to London. But everything will be alright in the end despite a lot of difficulty.
Is that what you wanted or is it more?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJMnm28vAqQ
1995 movie trailer?
The music irks me but there's more than just music there... there's value in Alan Rickman.
Hey, well I'm on chapter XIII now. What's gonna happen with Marianne and Willoughby, and is Elinor going to fall in love with Colonel Brandon, and will Edward come back into the story? And will anyone else be introduced who will play an important part in the plot? And why is the story divided into 3 volumes? Thanks in advance.
I recognise me in you, because I'd like to know if I'm unsettled... Finally, someone! :smash:
SPOILER ALERT (for the ones who do not want to know specific things)
Willoughby and Marianne, that's clear, isn't it, what is going to happen, but it will go all wrong. The outcome of what really happened to cause the shambles will be at the end. But something will happen in London.
Heroic, Willoughby, isn't he... :brow:
Elinor does not fall in love with Colonel Brandon, although she is believed to be by everyone.
Edward Ferrars will resurface but entangled in a difficult web that concludes happily at the end somewhere (in London, too).
Keep an eye out for Lucy. She's important.
SPOILERS OVER
What do you think of it so far. I found it the most tedious boo of Austn I have read, but I only did (in order) P&P, S&S, Persuasion and Emma. After P&P this was a little bit of a cold shower because it is much more serious although that old widow (mother-in-law of Middleton) is quite fun. Still, at the points where it picks up pace, it does satisfy, just not everywhere...
Thanks kiki1982. That answered all my questions.
I've actually just finished the first volume now, and I am quite astonished by what I just found out with Lucy and Edward, as I really thought he was going somewhere with Elinor. Anyway, this is the first Jane Austen book I've read (and the first classic book I've read, too as a matter of fact because I've only just decided to take up reading classic literature), so I didn't know what to expect from it. I found the book and language really hard to understand during the first chapter, but then I kind of settled to it, and now I understand Austen's vocabulary fully and I am engrossed in the story, but now I can't wait to read pride and prejudice after what you said. I'd really like to know why Willoughby left - how far in the book do you get to find out? So do the characters go to London? And do the Palmers feature prominently in the story or are they background characters? And aside from Lucy, anyone else important in the plot? Thanks again, in advance.
With Austen, it is a matter of clarification in the end. Everything that happens has a reason, of course, but the reasons, out of discretion, cannot be revealed until later.
Ferrars was going somewhere with Elinor, but it wl al become clear later what the problem is.
Willoughby left because of personal reasons. Later you will find out why..
The Palemrs are side-charactrs, but will remain there because they re close relatives of Mrs Jennings(?). Her daughter and son-in-law. Mr Palmer will infact be redeemed as good and kind man, despite his sulkiness.
P&P is more fun in my opinion. It is more ridiculous, S&S is more poetical and more subdued but therefore not bad. Just a little less entertaining.
But was Austen not a little difficult in vocab to start with? I would have take something more recent to start with, but then again, it is what one prefers.
If you like Austen, you migt also like Scott on the same note of language. He is more serious, but writes in the same kind of language (same time). The funniest I have read of Austen was P&P and Emma, after that Persuasion. I'd start with P&P, because that is shorter and Emma is a snobbish woman so you need to be into Austen to understand the real ridicule of it. But other than that, Emma is also really good. Northanger Abbey is also supposed to be good as she wrote it earleir in her like P&P.
Thanks for that ;)
You said everything will be alright with Edward and Elinor, but how can that be if he is engaged to Lucy? And another thing has been a bee in my bonnet: at the back of the book on the blurb it says: "Elinor is ill-equipped to compete with self-centred fortune hunters like Lucy Steele." I don't get it. Lucy seems really nice at the end of volume one.
I'll post here again when I get further into the book.
I don't know about self-centered. They have been engaged for long, remember that because that is the key.
Someting will obviously happen, then, won't it?
I don't know about Elinor being 'ill-equipped'... I don't know, she is reserved to all people else than Marian, and she thinks that she does not show enough feeling, but she does have it.
You'll see...
Thanks once again. I am now on volume two, chapter 6-7 or something like that. I finally get what you meant about them going to London, so do they remain in town for the rest of the story? The whole Willoughby-saga is really interesting, I must say. This might be a random guess but from your hints: were Edward and Lucie actually in love but Edward has fallen out of love for her secretly (you said their long engagement is key) and fallen in love with Elinor (you said they were going somewhere)? Is that it? Or something like that?
That is something like it, yes...
They will stay in London for most of the story, then move to the Pamers' estate where everything will come to a great climax.
I think there should still be something known about Colonel Brandon's past in London... And that is quite important. Ferrars wil also run into problems there.
On the Palmers' estate we will hear about what was behind Willoughby's escapades.
And then, everything will be alright.
So the outcome at the end is as simple as:
-Marianne marries Willoughby
-Elinor marries Edward
By the way, the girl that Willoughby was with at the table when Marianne finally sees him again after his departure, does he cheat on her with her?
Have you read Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen?
If so, what did you think of it. I would like to discuss it here, because I want to see how many people deem it as a good book, as I am currently reading it (a bit into volume II) and am thoroughly engrossed with the things that are taking place in London. So, discuss it here!
Nono, one of the pairs is wrong! I won' tell you which. That should be clear in... 5 chapters I think (probably even earlier).
I like this, it's fun!
Yeah, it is fun! ;)
Hmmm... now I have to guess which pair is wrong...
Possible suitors for Marianne - Willoughby, Colonel Brandon
Possible suitors for Elinor - Edward, Colonel Brandon
That's all I can think of, so I'm guessing one of the pairs is ol' CB!
By the way, why is book split into three volumes, and how long ago did you read it?
I can't remeber how long I read it for... I don't count the days/weeks. 2 weeks?
The book is usually not split in volumes, but maybe you are reading a very much older edition. In the 19th century they tended to split short books into volumes too.
Indeed, one of the pairs is CB, but I won't tell you which. :D
Oooh, that makes it exciting. I'm reading the Oxford Classics edition.
I've just gone past the part where Marianne recieves the final letter from Willoughby, and I'm astounded that he was already engaged, because I was sure he reciprocated her love. Anyhow, how long til I found out who CB is gonna pair up with? And is Miss Grey the "young fashionable" woman that Willoughby was with when he was impolite to Marianne?
Willoughby was not already engaged... But you'll find out on the Palmers' estate. Anyway, it is miss Grey who is the fashionable lady. Something about Willoughby will become clear in the near future. It also involves Colonel Brandon... That is what I can reveal without really spoiling it.
It should slowly become clear who is going to marry Marian... He had always admired Marian from a distance, and is still doing it.
Oops, forgot CB...
And who is Colonel Brandon going to go for? She is there all the while too... But they haven't noticed each other yet. Although they have, maybe, just not in that way...
Oh, I'm guessing Marianne and Colonel Brandon then...
I can't wait to read more, which I will be doing in a little while.
How many hours a day do you read?
I don't get how Willoughby is not engaged, when in his letter he says he is.
He wasn't engaged to her when he was flirting with Marianne, but got engaged to her later. :)
That's what it is, Mona Amon. I wanted to keep it quiet because it is the revelation in the end... But never mind, it's out now. Willoughby got engaged in London, before Marian arrived, I suppose. For the reason behind it you'll have to wait.
@aamir:
I don't know how long I read a day. Whenever I feel like it. So some books only take three days to a week because I'm so interested I can't put it down and some last ages because they are not very interesting and I have to remind myself to read. The Picture of Dorian Gray was one, although it was a re-read and I rarely re-read, so that could have been the problem (I know too well what happens so it is hardly interesting). It took a month and it is shorter than P&P. I am now having problems with Eliot's Mill on the Floss. Wutherig Heights went like a storm (what's in a name :D). Ivanhoe started off slowly (style takes getting used to), but moved then anyway. It depends. Persuasion is my record at three days.
Oh, yes, if you need some explanation (after you have read the whole thing because there are spoilers over there not signlaed) on the background of Austen's books and one work in particular (like marriages and dowries and that kind of thing), go to www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/janewrit.html. They have a lot of inside info that is really interesting if you are into it.
Oh dear, I didn't realize I was making an important revelation! :D
It's a while since I read it, and I'm now re-reading, and about half way through. I remember so little it seems almost like I'm reading for the first time.
Wow, I can't believe that happens. I can't wait to get to that part in the end. So did Willoughby know Miss Grey when he was flirting with Marianne? And by the way, do we ever find out why he left Barton Park? Just a yes or no will suffice, not another spoiler, or there'll be no point in me reading the book :D
@Mona Amon:
No problem, the thing is, it's not really a spoiler becaue he is engaged now anyway... But, it does give a little bit away of what he's going totell later...
@Aamir:
We will know why Willoughby left so suddenly. He did not know Miss Grey when he was courting Marianne, but that has to do with his leaving.
There is always a point in reading a book, even if you know what happens in the end. You don't knw how it happens, so actually, by knowing the fact, you don't have the feelings that are associated with it. (that is at least how I see it). More important is what is happening now to Marianne and Elinor inside... And that you do not know yet :)
Haha, I like your subtle answers!
I didn't manage to read any of the book yesterday, but I am going to try and make up for that by spending my time wisely today.
Okay, so I'm on page 180 or something, and Elinor and Lucy have just seen Mrs Ferrars, and there was an awkward moment between Edward, Lucy, Marianne, and Elinor when they were on their own. That's where I'm up to. Mrs Ferrars is a bizarre character!
Yes, horribly conceited isn't she. So is her daughter (Mrs Dashwood).
And nice, isn't it, how the Dashwods do not invite Elinor and Marianne at first? I find that really...
Anyway, Mrs Ferrars is important.
Yup, she is.
I've just finished the second volume now, and I didn't really get the ending. I don't understand if the Dashwoods have been invited to Charlotte's or not, because Mrs John Dashwood invited the Steeles instead....
I don't think they did invite the Dashwoods out of contempt I think. They invited the Steeles because they were close to the Dashwoods, but not quite the Dashwoods. But that friendship will prove a mistake. I'll leave you to the great problems that are going to occur in the near future...
I really didn't understand any of the above post, sorry.
Could you explain?
I didn't really understand either of your posts, Aamir and Kiki.
Elinor and Marrianne are still Mrs. Jennings' guests at the end of volume 2, though they spend the whole of every day with Lady Middleton after Charlotte has a baby, because Mrs. Jennings spends the whole day at Charlotte's.
John Dashwood feels he ought to invite his sisters Elinor and Marianne to be his guests, but his wife talks him out of it and invites the Misses Steele instead.
Wonder if this clears up anything? :D
Well, You remember that John Dashwood was the son out of a first marriage of Mr Dashwood. Then, Mr Dashwood married again and got Elinor and Marianne. So John and Elinor and Marianne are half-brother and -sisters.
John Dashwood's wife, née Ferrars, feels that he should not spend his (THEIR/HER) income on his sisters or stepmother. So, she contrives to put them away somewhere because they are a nuisance that would diminish her son's inheritance, her own liviing circumstances so to say.
When they eventually get to London the Dashwoods don't even receive a morning call. It could be expected from a brother that he would call on his sisters or that his wife would do that. They do not call/leave no cards (in the case that no-one was there when they called) and when they meet on the street, they don't even talk in an easy manner.
They do not invite the sisters to dinner even, but instead go for the Steeles, although they know that it is slighting the Dashwoods as they are close to the Steeles and as they are family (it is proper to invite your own famiy to dinner first). Would that have anything to do with the contempt that Mrs John Dashwood feels for her sisters-in-law? The Dashwoods (E&M) were not there, were they? I seem to remember not. However, they were at one time invited to tea?
But the Steeles will prove a mistake as I said.
I also agree with Mona Amon: Mr John Dashwood was talked out of it by is wife like the beginning.
Hmmm... that kind of clear it up. Anyway, I'm at a point in the book where everyone has just found out about Edward and Lucy, and Marianne feels upset because Elinor comforted her about Willoughby when she was silently grieving herself. That's where I'm up to. It's a good read, this book!
Now wait for what happens to Edward!
Hahahaha, he got kicked out. And Colonel Brandon invited Edward to his house. I have about 80 pages til the end of the book. I found it quite amusing when Mrs Jennings and Elinor were discussing what happened and their happiness, and Mrs Jennings got the wrong idea that Brandon was marrying Elinor. A rare funny moment by Austen in this book.
Yes, that was indeed hilarious about Mrs Jennings. Glad you like Austen!
Wait what happens next! From now on it is going to prove very interesting, although it's going to calm down before it gains mementum again.
Isn't CB lovely? Ah, offering a situation to Ferrars, bless him.
But I think you did not quite get what happened:
CB has an estate with a vicarage on it. It is empty and he offers to Ferrars. It also includes an income a there are grounds to be cultivated (small grounds of course,not comparable to what CB has). So this is very valuable, because essentially it puts Ferrars in a state where he can marry has no financial concerns.
Sweet, isn't it?
That was the moment where CB really went into my heart.
Oh, I get it now. But this will only help Lucy and Edward's prospects, right? I don't get why he wouldn't marry Lucy after all this kerfuffle when he was willing to get disowned for the cause.
He is planning to be honorable, yes, and marry the girl...Quote:
Originally Posted by aamir
But, something will put a stop to it (the nature of one person)...
I'll leave you to the conclusion. :D
Okay, you got me all excited now. I'll just have to keep on reading.
It'll be a big surprise only at the end.
Prepare for Marianne now and everything connected with her... :D
They are amost going to leave London, aren't they?