Man and stories

We human beings take pleasure in telling stories and story telling is something that transcends all boundaries; for every society has a tradition of it no matter how primitive it is. This is the exclusive privilege human beings enjoy, something I say that flattens man's periphery, if not in reality but in fantasy or in imagination.

I want to recount some events in my own life that bears some relevance.

I was brought up in a primitive-like society in a small mountainous region, remote from cities with no access to roads, to schools and hospitals, to market places. To see just a two wheeler we had scale big mountains and measure almost five kilometers. I had to walk a couple of hours to go to school. We had a single room for all classes with a single teacher. Students were graded not only their education standards according to their castes as well. We used to go to schools barefoot with no school bags and we did not tak tiffins. We used to eat very early in the morning and join in the family to eat late in the evening.

You may have no interest in learning about my personal story, yet it has a little pertinence to say something about how the story of stories progressed.
We kids used to gather together in the night after our meal and cluster together around a woven. Elders used to tell stories and we listened very attentively. In the day time we used to share them with our friends.

I heard stories from different classes of people. From my elders, from ploughers, from workers, from servants, from carpenters, from priests,from guests and the like.

That is how the tradition of telling stories from different sources.

Telling story is in point of fact older than civilization. Normally when we say civilization it is modern or western civilization. There was a tradition of telling tradition and still doe in some parts of the world.
Visit some remote places, tribal communities modern civilization has not dawned on their locales, yet we can find there a tradition of telling sotries.

In Nepal in some communities people are illiterate and can not read at all. yet there is a tradition of telling beautiful stories.

Novels are waht sotories evolved into bigger sizes or lenghtened.

Stories are really mirrors in which we can see ourselves, our patterns of living, beliefs, cultures and all the rest.

Kenned I can sail across seas of ideas. I can not think about my existence, I mean, my intellectual existence without living in a domain of books. A few years I cultivated on farms, today I cultivate ideas cerebrally. This is a totally difference experience. I could not come across you if I did not cultivate ideas and only confined myself to cultivating crops.

Today as a writer I cultivate images and metaphors. Literature is an image of truth. Literature is something that runs behind life, the way a shadow follows a physique.

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Wherefrom do ideas come? Ideas are reflections that come through our minds. Our minds are simply processors and ideas do not belong to them. Ideas are everywhere but they are in their r crudities but it is minds they sublime them. When a poet sees an object, let us say a beautiful flower he can write a beautiful poem about it. It is the flower that generates the idea, and the mind processes it or modifies it or amalgamates the idea of the flower or fuses his other experiences or perceptions he had previous to the observation of the flower and a beautiful poem it born of him. He can write a poem about a rose without observing it, for he might have already seen the rose earlier. The perception of the flower already is there and now he gets inspired to write a poem and he does so through a profusion of many other perceptions of things. That is how the domain of knowledge and ideas get wider and wider infinitely.

Identities are something more of tribal attributes, and this is a primitive characteristic. Identities and ideals are distinctions man want from the rest the way a king borders himself and does not let others trespass his domain. Cultures are subtler kingdoms within us and egos do not want outsiders’ intrusions.

But when one understands truths, he can not see if there is a smokescreen of disorientation, he rises above these borders of ideas and identities and behaves as a real and awakened human being.

Imagine how beautiful will this world be if we rise above them.

To introduce myself to you I need to identify myself with something. I am not something at all. I am a combination of many things or nothing at all. This sounds paradoxical. If I introduce myself identifying me with my parents, or the place I came from that becomes a general introduction of myself. Definitely I can not interest anybody through that identification. If am the son of a millionaire or a famous celebrity maybe I interest them. Or if I am a great poet with measureless success with a greater readership I may appear interesting.

I am none of them. What have I after all to introduce? Better I introduce myself through what I communicate or how I share or respond or agree or disagree to things with people on this forum.

I think when we share ideas without preoccupations of who we are and only without giving ideas about our other personalities or if we do not let personalties interfere with what we share through this forum, and that wll be the best introduction of ourselves.

Let our ideas or philosophies we live with speak volumes for ourselves

blazeofglory,
your thoughts are beautiful. I enjoyed reading your thread.
amari

This world is really a beautiful place to live in. In fact it is not devoid of tragedies, and it is indeed full of it, and not a single days goes unspent without a pang of sorrows, yet we have moments of joys too.

Overall all I want to say is this world is really a beautiful one despite everything, every adversity, and the reason it is really exciting to live in this world is the joy of living.

The joy of getting connected with you across many barriers, geographical and cultural, and even linguistic, as I am just a Nepali, makes me happy indeed. I can share ideas through this thread, particularly literature and philosophy which are the domains of my interests.

Really it is joyful to be connected to share ideas, different ideas that gives me more liveliness, the vitality of living, and the excitement of writing and sharing with all of you across the globe.

Suddenly I started liking reading rhymes. I was against rhymes before as I thought that rhyming an unnecessary device that does not help the very free flow of writing poetry.

Today I came to understand that rhymes are really beautiful things to do, and rhymes need a lot of skills and once we attain them we feel comfortable with writing rhymes. Initially we have to practice writing in rhymes and once we are accustomed to them rhymes come naturally.

Rhymes is likened to seeking order in life. It is as old as civilization.

In poetry there are many techniques we must follow, and while we do the rest why should not we follow this technique as well.

Rhymes makes poems really beutiful

Now I am practicing writing in rhymes.

Art is in nature; for natural beings, be they primitive human beings or other wild creatures knew forms of art. Art is as natural as the color of a rose is natural, the flow of a river is natural and the song of a cuckoo is natural. You many not notice in the song of a cuckoo elements of naturalness, and to understand the depth of it, to the very melody of it you need the ear of a poet. Or else it is simply a noise and nothing else.

Now I will show you perfection in their arts. If you were from a village you could have seen hanging nests of birds. I have seen plenty. When I was a kid and worked on farms I used to stop and watch hanging nests in trees. I became of a captive of the beauty of what I saw.

See the web of a spider and see the intricacy it uses to weave it.

Nature is perfect and an art is a copy of that perfection.

What we call art is the progression thru eons.

The Ozark Mountains, consider the oldest mountains in North America, are nothing but beauty. Everywhere one looks there is nature's art. Everyone should visit at least once.

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Originally Posted by Granny5

The Ozark Mountains, consider the oldest mountains in North America, are nothing but beauty. Everywhere one looks there is nature's art. Everyone should visit at least once.

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Mountains, rivers, lakes are no doubts things of beauty. If we are believers we may believe define hands crafted them. But here the point is different. Here there is action involved in art, whether man's or animals'.

A beautiful flower indeed excels other forms. A baby is an impeccable example of beauty. These things surpass any objects of art. If we think God is an artist these things are the best creations of art.

Here the point is a little different. Art needs a little addition to what exists in nature in its raw forms.

Art is often created instinctively, and there is no other consciousness. A bird normally builds a nest when it has to birth a baby.

Now human beings create something new and this is an evolved form of art.
Inventiveness is at the bottom nothing new, and everything already exists and we can not go beyond natural phenomena.

What man to day does is he kind of amalgamates things and gets a new creation and this is at the core the very object which got transformed into a new form only.

Everything in nature in their original forms are not arts. Art is what is added to things of nature or in fact art is an embodiment of instincts among insects, birds and animals and in the case of human beings it is a materialization or externalization of his thought.

But the claim here is man alone not an artists, the rest of animal beings too are.

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blazeofglory,
your thoughts are beautiful. I enjoyed reading your thread.
amari

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I am elated to share all I have, I am an artist and have streams of thought, yet the course of style at times goes rather coarse. For I am not as good at form as at content. I am not a native writer.

The expression you made is a domain I delight in.

Thanks a lot for your kind expression.

impressive!!!
but i have to disagree about what you said that "Nature is perfect and an art is a copy of that perfection." art is how we react towards nature surrounding us and it is a reflection of our nature, art is how we display our hidden thoughts, it is the voice of our unconciousness....

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Originally Posted by stella

impressive!!!
but i have to disagree about what you said that "Nature is perfect and an art is a copy of that perfection." art is how we react towards nature surrounding us and it is a reflection of our nature, art is how we display our hidden thoughts, it is the voice of our unconsciousness....

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I agree nature is how we react towards nature, and that endorses the fact what we do is reaction, reaction happens where there is action. Therefore reaction is secondary to action.

When you say art is a reflection of our nature this very axiom indicates that this is a reflection. Reflection is a shadowed entity, not the entity in its original form. This subscribe that art is the original thing as we get effortlessly from nature. To say this is a copy of nature, or the word 'copy' is a rather deprecatory word. I suppose if I say this is a replica of nature this does not offend any one when it comes to speaking of art.

Anyway your comment really opened my eye to see art more profoundly and deepened my understanding of it more sincerly and unaffectedly

This affirms the fact that at times a mild comment like this really is encouraging and widens the very horizon of a writer.

you should try to look at a peice of art through the eyes of its artist because to him/her it's perfection ,it's a peice of his/her soul ,art gives you a chance to be a creator and i believe that no artist will stop until they get perfection.

i am glad i could change your perspective towards art.....

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Originally Posted by stella

you should try to look at a peice of art through the eyes of its artist because to him/her it's perfection ,it's a peice of his/her soul ,art gives you a chance to be a creator and i believe that no artist will stop until they get perfection.

i am glad i could change your perspective towards art.....

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No you can not in point of fact change my perspective on art. You can help me and, I agree you helped me broaden my understanding, maybe my horizon of knowledge of it. But changing is something the other person ca not do until one takes the self initiative.

Anyway in today's world people share ideas, and merge different ideas and creativity springs up from that way.

Anyway I am really thankful to you for your invaluable suggestive ideas.

Help. Could you? The artist within slumbering and languished.

There may be amid us some ones really who can outshine Shakespeare, and outperform Rousseau and Voltaire combined.

What stops them from being what they are capable of?

Is thee to knock on the door, for the potentials are captivated or are prisoners of the fact that they are not unaware of what they could possible do.

There could be Dante and Milton even Dostoevsky, who could climaxed, but why they could not be shinning?

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

No you can not in point of fact change my perspective on art. You can help me and, I agree you helped me broaden my understanding, maybe my horizon of knowledge of it. But changing is something the other person ca not do until one takes the self initiative.

Anyway in today's world people share ideas, and merge different ideas and creativity springs up from that way.

Anyway I am really thankful to you for your invaluable suggestive ideas.

Help. Could you? The artist within slumbering and languished.

There may be amid us some ones really who can outshine Shakespeare, and outperform Rousseau and Voltaire combined.

What stops them from being what they are capable of?

Is thee to knock on the door, for the potentials are captivated or are prisoners of the fact that they are not unaware of what they could possible do.

There could be Dante and Milton even Dostoevsky, who could climaxed, but why they could not be shinning?

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well then to broaden your understanding is enough for me.....;)
so as to why we dont have other Dantes & Dostoevskys you have to blame technology ...
you have to have good plots that depend sometimes on a late letter delivery (which is impossible when you have phones & e-mails) also you cant write a story about an abusive father when we have all these human rights establishments .those people had something they fought for in their writings we dont have that anymore because simply everything is allowed (mostly)

also dont forget the time factor noone really has a full year or more to spend in writing a novel most people choose a career over writing supposing they have talent
also the type of audiance changed......

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well then to broaden your understanding is enough for me.....;)
so as to why we dont have other Dantes & Dostoevskys you have to blame technology ...
you have to have good plots that depend sometimes on a late letter delivery (which is impossible when you have phones & e-mails) also you cant write a story about an abusive father when we have all these human rights establishments .those people had something they fought for in their writings we dont have that anymore because simply everything is allowed (mostly)

also dont forget the time factor noone really has a full year or more to spend in writing a novel most people choose a career over writing supposing they have talent
also the type of audiance changed......

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Yes when we talk about realities, we have different ones. During the Victorian era, there was a very big rift indeed between the poor and the rich.That was substantiated by Dickensian novels. Now this gap is still there but not to that extent. Realities have shifted tremendously. But now we have other kinds of realities. They are more complex. Alienation, identy crisis, rootlessness, sexual abuse, more mechanization of life.

Yet novels are written at times fictionally and imaginatively. Some writers for the time to come, and others about the past. There is lot of flexibilities.

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well then to broaden your understanding is enough for me.....;)
so as to why we dont have other Dantes & Dostoevskys you have to blame technology ...
you have to have good plots that depend sometimes on a late letter delivery (which is impossible when you have phones & e-mails) also you cant write a story about an abusive father when we have all these human rights establishments .those people had something they fought for in their writings we dont have that anymore because simply everything is allowed (mostly)

also dont forget the time factor noone really has a full year or more to spend in writing a novel most people choose a career over writing supposing they have talent
also the type of audiance changed......

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Time has changed indeed, yet there certain of human domains that remain the same. Human sentiments, love, emotion, anger are not different. Patterns behaviors on the surface may have been different, deep down there are certian things that remain always unchanged.

We all know in point of fact our minds have diffeent layers and Freud did the marvelous job indeed and he was the first one, maybe there others previous to him, to analyze human minds and their different layers so profoundly and scientifically.

In fact literature must be inspired by what is within, something lying ultold for a variety of reasons, like taboos and moral censorships in a particular social setting. Mostly all we do is we screen and filter all that wells up within the mind and things can not come spontaneously. You may love someone secretly and which is biologically justifiable and religiously or culturally tabooed. That desire lays seated there indefinitely.

A writer if he is bold enough must express something like that. A man may have , any morally right or so called men of dignity and disciplines may have something gin hiding, some urged pushed down.

Therefore writing must be frank and open.

There were many writers who emboldened themselves to express things that I said yet few could do fully and daringly.

Life is really joyful. It is exciting to live for there are really good moments in life. There are some pessimists who may oppose this view but overall life is really full of vitality and joyousness. Sorrows creep in and problems crop up, but clouds of sorrows and problems subside and again life will be something to rejoice in.

In fact there are things, many things to do in life that keeps us busy and in fact getting busy is itself a matter of liveliness for when we work hard we will be at one with work. When we dance to the tone of a sweet melody we will be so much immersed in the music and dance we will forget our existence and ultimately there will be no duality.

Life, despite many problems befall on it and there are many cold winters there , yet everything has a limit and the cycle of seasons move all the time and brings in days of springs and great fulfillment.

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Life, despite many problems befall on it and there are many cold winters there , yet everything has a limit and the cycle of seasons move all the time and brings in days of springs and great fulfillment.

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here's a question : why Winter is considered a miserable time ? i love everything about it walking in the rain is one of my favourite activities ...why???

To be perfectly honest blazeofglory, I am not completely satisfied with your philosophizing. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I feel like you say and write as you wished you thought and felt as opposed to what you really do think and feel. Granted, I am not Nepalise and perhaps don't comprehend fully your mode of understanding, being a westerner. I can tell you this, I have known many sincere artists and brilliant minds in my day and their words ring true when they speak/write them. Force. Your words lack force my friend and force cannot be feigned. Force flows naturally from truth.

You are a smart person with exciting thoughts, perhaps you are experimenting. But what you say does not convince me that you are who you say you are. Only being who you say you are can make you sound thus.

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To be perfectly honest blazeofglory, I am not completely satisfied with your philosophizing. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I feel like you say and write as you wished you thought and felt as opposed to what you really do think and feel. Granted, I am not Nepalise and perhaps don't comprehend fully your mode of understanding, being a westerner. I can tell you this, I have known many sincere artists and brilliant minds in my day and their words ring true when they speak/write them. Force. Your words lack force my friend and force cannot be feigned. Force flows naturally from truth.

You are a smart person with exciting thoughts, perhaps you are experimenting. But what you say does not convince me that you are who you say you are. Only being who you say you are can make you sound thus.

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In fact everyone is at liberty to agree or not to agree. Of course you are one of them. Ideas differ from person to person and that is what we call individuality. Otherwose there will be no individuality or variety.

Besides, everyone has a different point of view. You are grown up in a particular setting and I am in a different one. Meanwhile just by being a westerner it is not necessary that you are intellectually superior. Now knowledge is open to all no matter where one resides.

Regarding nature art everyone has a different opinion and maybe your sources of knowledge is different from mine and your ideal could be something mine would be something else. moreover, my posts are not meant to satisfy you, and no I did not post just to satisfy but to see your views and comments.

I am not sad at the fact that you are not satisfied. That indeed enabled me to to see things differently and of course your perspectives broadened my mind.
I take your idea positively even if I may disagree with you on several points.

Friends, I am sad at the fact that we live with many identities, and indeed I am dreaming of a day man lives without any labels, brands or identities. Is not it enough to be a humane human, living mannishly, clean of all veneers. Uncloak yourself all you will find yourself is you, the you that is pure, clean and unblemished. How it is like living with a universal relationship, and wherever you go your mannishness matters and any other label you have will appear unimportant and gibberish.

There are thousands of labels. You are respected just because you come from a developed country and I from a very undeveloped one. You are a black and I am a white.

Why you want to identify yourselves with particular labels? Why your religions come foremost? Do they mirror your inner beauties? Do they reflect your bigheartedness?

Are you just great because you are general manager, and the other a sweeper? Everyone collectively forms a community and indeed has something equitable to contribute? Why should your egos must crop in to label yourselves as superior with your corporate ranks and those who lack them as your juniors? These are bunks.

Un-tag yourselves and see you as yourselves in relationship, indeed not in your national, religious, corporate relationship, but in your universal relationship with one and all.

Today suddenly I had this feeling when I woke up and meditated for a while. I am not a Guru or any label you may give, and indeed this is not arrogance. It just cropped up and I felt like sharing?

Am I wrong?

you're not wrong; but there's this innate attraction to a feeling of belonging in man. And the concept of identity(s) helps us cope with that. I do agree that such identities are truly meaningless and just hinder what a person truly is, but I personally take comfort in my identity, even though my identity is being attacked nowadays because of reasons beyond my control. That's not right either, that I have to succumb to resigning to my own self and patiently bear the arrows flung at me...I really don't know, both sides are equally bad and good-- being without an identity and with one seems to be the same, I guess.
i don't of this makes sense to you, or anyone, because I myself don't understand this confusion within myself, let alone others.
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Why fight in the name of religions or Gods? What do your gods and religions give you ultimately? We are simply human beings nothing else? Is it not enough to live like a moral and considerate human being? Why this bunk identity. Damn all identities. And all that remains of you is humanities.

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I got this from the Jews thread...wow! I totally agree with this, but there's a part of me that foolishly adopts identities for the sake of relating my human-ness to others...I don't know?

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Originally Posted by crazefest456

you're not wrong; but there's this innate attraction to a feeling of belonging in man. And the concept of identity(s) helps us cope with that. I do agree that such identities are truly meaningless and just hinder what a person truly is, but I personally take comfort in my identity, even though my identity is being attacked nowadays because of reasons beyond my control. That's not right either, that I have to succumb to resigning to my own self and patiently bear the arrows flung at me...I really don't know, both sides are equally bad and good-- being without an identity and with one seems to be the same, I guess.
i don't of this makes sense to you, or anyone, because I myself don't understand this confusion within myself, let alone others.
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I got this from the Jews thread...wow! I totally agree with this, but there's a part of me that foolishly adopts identities for the sake of relating my human-ness to others...I don't know?

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There are of course elements of truth in your understanding of it and certainly as long as there is purity of heart identity is not something despisable, indeed it becomes a virtue the way understood it, but generally it is not taken that way and now see there ar violences in the name of identity.

yup, violence in the name of identity is evident right now...
I hate that! oh well, the world can't change by my whining...

I can change it c456...lol... This is an awesome thread, and I don't know why it took me so long to find it... You guys are going to like some things I'm writing in my blog...I come from a line of people that are storytellers, and singers...really we call them entertainers... and it is so cool to be able to share knowledge through stories. I have to share through music, but writing is working wonders, and I can do many things...c456 (I will address this and read the rest of the posts later). I have to find an audience for people to come together...oh wait, that is lit-net..ok later. B

I really liked reading your point of view towards story telling. Nice read!