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a fascinating word yet unclear to what purpose it is yet to be used?
cross referencing perhaps?
the concept
what is therre?
or are we there yet?
and what is it like??
is that the same as
to be or not to be??
p.s
i use to think it was the study of the changes in the weather until ii googled it. ;)
I like to think of the word as using reason, backed up with experience if possible, to clarify what we mean by something. Usually the problems have been going on for a long time and there is a history to preferred solutions.
For example, Stephen Mumford and Rani Lill Anjum have a book call "Causation". They try to clarify what the word "causation" means leaving you with their preference which would probably be "dispositionalism". I didn't know what dispositionalism was prior to reading the book, but metaphysics would try to make sense of these different positions related to causation or whatever topic is under discussion.
Cacian, you are so funny! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
something as in concrete or topical?Quote:
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is the problem is because we think there is one?Quote:
Usually the problems have been going on for a long time and there is a history to preferred solutions.
language is not sedate it has many sensations
the dictionary for examples sets out to limit what a meaning can do
could that be the source of the problem
when a word is laid out in black and white when we write is already planned.
to a situation a variety of reasons countless of them
to a word one meaning.
dispostion as oppose to imposition?Quote:
For example, Stephen Mumford and Rani Lill Anjum have a book call "Causation". They try to clarify what the word "causation" means leaving you with their preference which would probably be "dispositionalism".
I dont know about causation but i like to think there are words or would be words that made up on the spot to fit
i understood meta physics to be to do with metabolism or changes in physics or nature of thingsQuote:
I didn't know what dispositionalism was prior to reading the book, but metaphysics would try to make sense of these different positions related to causation or whatever topic is under discussion.
but it is not literally what i had thought
haha it was because of the way the word is composedQuote:
Originally Posted by Pompey Bum
meta for metal or metabolism and physics :)
It is because the metaphorical meteors of your mercurial mind manifest metamorphoses not mutated since the Middle Mezozoic. And because you are just so funny. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
wow LOL now that is metamorphosis of word :DQuote:
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but then what has physics got to do with literature?
the reason i thought initially about the weather is because one can control or manage a change in the weather using metal
ie mettalica in contact with the sun has an effect on the weather.
True, true. Changing literature requires mentalurgy, not metallurgy. And what is physical-urge-y but scratching an itch?
metallurgy i like the wordQuote:
Originally Posted by Pompey Bum
physical urge is related to a mental one only when it is nagging and not before
a metaphor is to do with seeing something what is not there
I had not thought of it like that, but that may be right. The problem may not be real. We just think it is. I also think it is because we don't see something as a problem when it actually is a challenge to our view of the world requiring us to change the view we have of ourselves or the world.Quote:
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After reading that book, I realized I didn't know much about it either. I was a cultural Humean, that is, someone who assumed David Hume's views from a few hundred years ago were correct.Quote:
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The disposition is the tendency of an object to behave in a certain way given a particular environment. The cause is not the environment doing something to an object, but the object making changes internally as it is "disposed" to act. There is also some freedom involved, so it would not be "imposition" which sounds to me to involve determinism. The object is disposed but not required to act in that manner.
That causes are deterministic is not something Hume believed either for different reasons.
I heard it had to do with these books placed after the books about physics in a library. I guess the "meta" means "after", but that could all be urban myth.Quote:
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My attempt to explain Metaphysics! Metaphysics starts off as a officious literary form for modern teen readers. There are many metaphysics poetry composed in a degree of high vitality towards morality and emotion, one personification of this attitude is the well sought Lolita and it's post modernist literary. Humbert who is basically a pedophile schemed a scenario to become the father of a young girl called Lolita. Full of complications, Lolita whose relationship with her single mom is stale. Humbert murders Lolita's mother with poison after marrying to her. After so, he is free towards Lolita and they travel on a trip keeping all family notices hidden to who and what Lolita and Humbert does. Lolita is sexually harassed, and conductive to her opinions, she is raped but still keeps herself from losing into certain despair still traveling along with Humbert.
That is unrealistic to human emotions, the attitudes of the characters are relentless, morbid but holds a stature of the ability to know their position in life. It's about status and framing it instrumentally. The suffering and joy that happens is opinionated and viewed objectively at the same time by the characters. The author Vladimir Nabokov wrote Lolita with the design of dark humour, the suffering of the real world expressed consequently onto the characters to further suffering incidents to appetize the taste of seeing loss with empowerment. With this in mind, you should get a gist of of how metaphysical is subject of humanism and philosophy. It's not really a extreme genre, it's just like any other depressed author except they have to be very detentioned to the subjects of philosophy and discuss it with how the characters feel.
Philosophy + humanism(morals,values, opinions and belief) + awareness = Metaphysical Character who basically just speaks out everything they notice in a fashionable way?
Mien, thanks for the interesting synopsis of Lolita. How exactly, however, is the novel metaphysical, and how does your equation for things being metaphysical work?
So that's what Lolita is about. I haven't read it. By the way, welcome to the forum!Quote:
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The word "metaphysics" does bring to my mind ideas of "depression" as well. I am not sure why.
Ohaider, metaphysics is like meta about actions that are perceived through the writer's mind I guess. The intelligence Humbert has does somehow in a slight attitude of sentencing describes his lust as in meta thought process, and it's physically erecting his magic wand therefore metaphysics. #IDon'tKnowWhatMetaphysicsMeanQuote:
Originally Posted by Pike Bishop
Who made up this word, such a broad term still undefined for many.
Pike Bishop, your medieval wording(academic wording), similar to 'Saber' whom is King Arthur from the animation series Fate."and how does your equation for things being metaphysical work?" Practical yet expressive in nature, dialect and intuitive itself.
What is this? Is it admiration of adorableness? Perhaps both, I do like practicality for the benefits of simply knowing the situation. But I hold hobbies so I find your wording adorable in a way, since I relate it to the character 'Saber' in Fate.
Edit, Maybe I am currently suffering the effects of sleep deprivation.
hi cacian,
The origin of the word 'metaphysics' is mundane enough. After Aristotle had written his 'Physics' he went on to write a book of the more general categories of being - things like substance, identity, causation and attribute etc.. Because it was the book which followed the 'Physics' he called it 'Meta-Physics' meaning 'Beyond Physics.'
It has come to mean the very general study of the categories or features of being or what is, or those categories which underlie all things. So, for example, if you ask what causes something you are asking a question answered by physics, some other science or common sense explanation. But if you ask what a cause is - what it is to cause anything, what 'cause' means - you are asking a metaphysical question. If you ask what time it is then you are asking a reasonably mundane question, but if you ask what time is then you are asking a metaphysical question.