Refuting Abortion with the Bible

I'm very sorry. I forgot to add the poll to the other thread, and I'm wondering if the Admin can close the other thread with the same title.

I don't know where to put this, but I figured that some people might not like it if I put this in the General Chat section, so I played safe. :D

Here's the points and the Bible verses refuting Abortion:

1. The life in the womb is not human because it is not fully developed.

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“For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [and] wonderfully made: marvellous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, [and] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them.” Psalm 139:13-16

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2. The human tissue produced in the woman is the property of the one who produces it.

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“For every beast of the forest [is] mine, [and] the cattle upon a thousand hills.” Psalm 50:10

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3. The life in the womb is really part of the woman and the woman has the right to do as she wills with her body.

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“All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.” John 16:15

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4. In abortion, no one is hurt since the fetus is not a person.

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“Your eyes saw me when I was only a fetus. Every day of my life was recorded in your book before one of them had taken place.” Psalm 139: 16

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5. Rape is a condition that justifies abortion.

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“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.” Romans 12:19

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6. To restrict a woman's right to choose is to deny her rights as a woman.

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“I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.” Titus 5:14

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7. There are too many people in the world.

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“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.” Genesis 1:28

“And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.” Genesis 9:7

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8. Abortion is legal, therefore, it is okay.

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“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. “ Romans 12:2-3

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9. We don't know exactly when the fetus becomes human in the womb, so we can abort it.

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"Speak up for people who cannot speak for themselves. Protect the rights of all who are helpless.” Proverbs 31:8

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10. If the baby is deformed, it would be a mercy to it to end its life.

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“But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?....” Job 2:10

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How about how you tell us how you personally feel about abortion? My Mother had to have two not by choice but because she got pregnant on a IUD. Females older then you may know what I am talking about and the guys here probably do not want to go into what it is. But it was life threatening and not chance for the fetus to survive. I feel since free will is in play here that it has to be left of to the woman.

Indeed Ancestor....freedom of choice...

I base my opinions about abortion on brain development and consider myself pro-choice. I believe that sometimes the choice to abort can be the most responsible choice.

When I was younger I was more involved in the movement, but now with my family’s needs, I am too busy to be an activist. I still send emails to my senators and others about various issues including those that may affect reproductive rights.

I do not want to debate here, especially from a Biblical view that I do not share. I try to be open-minded and support everyone’s right to say what they believe, but on this issue it is hard for me because I know that if most pro-lifers had their way the women in family and among my friends, whom I love and support, would have no right to seek an abortion.

I believe abortion to be a personal choice, and no religion should be used to impair freedoms. If a person feels it is wrong, because the bible says it is wrong, it is their choice, but no one should ever use religion to restrict anothers personal freedoms. If a person chooses to restrict their own freedom is their choice.

unfortunately, religious debates often take a turn for the irrational, making things nearly impossible to discuss.

personally, i don't want an abortion; i am pro-choice; i.e., i get to choose to have or have not. but two doctors have told me i have my pregnancy is life-threatening. i am in favor of saving my life over an undeveloped one that cannot survive or breathe on its own. that said, it is an incredibly difficult thing to say yes to, and there is every possibility that i may continue with my pregnancy.

i remain firmly, however, pro-choice. i do not believe that a being that isn't viable, and hasn't "breathed the breath of life" is capable of dying.

Amuse I agree personally if it meant saving my life I would knowing the was not hope for the fetus to survive. But I would not make the choice easily and I know that I would not get a abortion just because I did not want child that is was contraception if for. Which most people should use for avoiding more the pregnancy but that is another topic. I feel the person should do what they feel is right for their body. I have to live with my own actions and accept responsibility for those actions.

(i meant to express my view, not to be agreed with or not. :) )
but it's so nice that discussing abortion can be done pleasantly, wow! :)

...i think in the end, our views on abortion have to be right for us.

it's good that you know how you feel about it.

Does it strike anyone else as a bit superfluous (even ridiculous) to hear arguments against abortion that are drawn from the Bible?

It's almost like arguing against an atheist by pointing to the Bible.

Atheist: But I don't believe in god.
Christian: But god is real.
Atheist: How do you know he's real?
Christian: the bible says he's real.
Atheist: But I don't grant the bible any authority. It's only a book.
Christian: But I know the bible is true!
Atheist: How?
Christian: Because the Bible says that the Bible is the word of God!

Anyone who believes in the Bible is probably already Pro-Life! Anyone who is pro-choice is quite sure already that the Bible is going to prohibit abortion, whether they've ever read a Bible or not. It's futile to tell a non-Christian that abortion is wrong because the Bible says so.

Non-christians are just as certain as are Christians that the Bible prohibits abortion. It's the validity of the book that is to question.

Lets play Bible Tag: All they have to do is choose a verse in the book to interperet as they please to apply it to contemporary issues, which the book NEVER explicitly mentions!

Not only is the Bible's authority questionable, given the state of man and society when it was written, but one can pull interperetations out of his hat depending on personal preference or initiative (i.e.: The Bible is manipulatable as a means to an end, whether its someone who likes children or James Dobson).

The Bible is questionable because interpretations its verses are never permanent, the agenda of the interprereters, the state of mankind in Israel when it was written, the minimal scientific knowledge and the rampant sexist feelings the authors had. The Bible is not an impartial, fair work. It was written, especially in the OT, by those with power. It is not objective or reasonable. How can people use it?

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Originally Posted by ThatIndividual

Anyone who believes in the Bible is probably already Pro-Life! Anyone who is pro-choice is quite sure already that the Bible is going to prohibit abortion, whether they've ever read a Bible or not. It's futile to tell a non-Christian that abortion is wrong because the Bible says so.

Non-christians are just as certain as are Christians that the Bible prohibits abortion. It's the validity of the book that is to question.

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I agree with most of your post, but I have to differ on a few areas.

To my understanding many Jewish people, even orthodox Jews, believe that abortion is allowable. A friend of mine explained to me once that based on Jewish belief the soul does not enter the body until birth, and this may be why abortion is permissible. I am sure, though, that there are also many people who are Jewish and pro-life.

There are many Christians who feel that is it okay scriptually and morally to be pro-choice. Here are some links I found if you are interested. I can not attest to the accuracy of these sites, especially in the area of scripture, but here they are...

http://www.rcrc.org/resources/sermon...ian_sermon.htm

http://www.rcrc.org/resources/sermon...ch_remarks.htm

http://www.rcrc.org/resources/sermon...on_gerlach.htm

Thank you, that's very interesting food for thought. I overlooked each of those points, probably because

point #1) I forgot about Jewish people. (Usually when referring to the Bible
it is the Christian doctrine to which I mean to refer. That is an
unfair error on my part. (Sorry Jews!)

point #2) Where I am from, that is the Southeastern United States, Christians
tend to be faaaaaarrr more conservative. I've never met a pro-choice
Christian, but I'm sure they're out there.

When one draws generalizations about people, it should always be understood that there are exceptions.

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Originally Posted by MiSaNtHrOpE

Lets play Bible Tag: All they have to do is choose a verse in the book to interperet as they please to apply it to contemporary issues, which the book NEVER explicitly mentions!

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Name-calling and personal negative comments directed at other members is not tolerated.

One post has been edited to remove them and another post has been edited because it quoted said comments.

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Originally Posted by Logos

Name-calling and personal negative comments directed at other members is not tolerated. Posts have been edited.

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:D heh, troublemakers. Guess I am not the only one.

Discussing religion is very much like discussing politics. Analysing religious texts is another matter. However, the discussion of religion is a poor debate to get inot, 'tis impossible to change anothers opinion, and usually ends in name calling.

nice call logos. (I am not being sarcastic, btw.) :)