'No, not done in a corner nor in darkness but before the whole world'
BWV 130
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-AIn...eature=related
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'No, not done in a corner nor in darkness but before the whole world'
BWV 130
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-AIn...eature=related
:seeya:
Please yourself in public if you must, Robert.
The fact is your "Mozart Conspiracy" claim was being ridiculed all around (http://www.topix.com/forum/music/cla...LQFV593LJKP/p3) until you brought it to this site (along with a second Nissen just in case) to be then provided with- and be overwhelmed by-all "missing dots" which you then tried but failed to dispute.
The existence of another Robert Newman, stockbrocker and manager of Covent Garden and Queen's Hall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Newman_(impresario) provides the answer as to your biases if not motives.
Allelujah!
The fact is Yanni every change is ridiculed. By those who have consumed and taught myth and have never once thought for themselves. By those whose musical landscape omits the lives and careers of 3,000 composers of the 18th century. They and their music. By those who have never critically examined what they themselves have consumed. That's normal. It's even called 'education' and 'culture'. And it's as useless as the myth of Isis and Osiris. 'Dumbing down' is the norm these days. It pays mortgages and keeps occultists and hidden fraternal hands in charge of student 'education' and the curriculum. The fact is you don't know the subject of Mozart or of the manufactured pantheon of western 'music history' - by your own admission. The fact is the Handel/Bach invention is complete nonsense and is only a 'red herring' surrounded by smoke and mirrors. Unsupported by any evidence whatsoever. The fact is there are dozens of Robert Newmans. And the fact is you cannot tell us how G.F. Handel fathered any of the 20 children born to the Bach family as you claim. Despite being repeatedly asked to produce a timeline in support of the contrary evidence. Notice the silence ?
No answer ? As usual. I think we have established you have no evidence to offer. It doesn't phase you at all. Can we please have some more obscurantism from you ? To divert us from reality. You are so GOOD at it Yanni ! Where did you learn this stuff ? In the fraternities or at the school of Mozart mythology ? Laugh at your own nonsense. It will do you good.
Beethoven Parody
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l3hq4G1iHs
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Originally Posted by yanni
Keep on doing what you do best, Robert!
Yanni,
The global control of schools and universities in respect of what is taught and considered to be 'convention' is not some imagined conspiracy theory. It is a plain fact.
It's a plain fact that academic subjects such as musical and artistic history are closely controlled internationally these days by universities, publishers, education ministers, broadcasters, presidents of colleges, committees, and others. With patronage in these areas reserved for compliant organisations and withheld from those who dissent. With the school curriculum and its content engineered for generations of students.
I provide 2 of many powerful proofs of this fact. The first contained in the little known 'Roerich Pact', signed in Washington, USA April 1935 by then President of the USA, Franklin D Roosevelt, and by his Secretary of State, Cordell Hall. Signed first by 21 representatives of the nations of North and South America at that time. Entitled, 'Protection of Artistic and Scientific Institutions and Historic Monuments'. This cultural control movement was later embedded within the Hague Treaty of 1954 when it was also signed by representatives of virtually every other country of the entire world. The United Nations approved control, in fact, of what is taught and believed in academic, scientific, historical and cultural areas. As part of a global policy of education and 'culture'.
Involving (amongst other things) protection of museums, exhibitions, centres of study, reading material, what is taught and published. Conservatism with a capital 'C'. Further evidence, in fact, of the occultist takeover of our history, education and culture. Worldwide.
http://www.roerich.org/nr_RPact.html
J.S. Bach apparently said "[Handel] is the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach."
Mozart is reputed to have said of him, "Handel understands effect better than any of us. When he chooses, he strikes like a thunder bolt" and to Beethoven he was "the master of us all...the greatest composer that ever lived. I would uncover my head and kneel before his tomb." The latter emphasised above all the simplicity and popular appeal of Handel's music when he said, "Go to him to learn how to achieve great effects, by such simple means."
He is commemorated as a musician in the Calendar of Saints of the Lutheran Church on July 28, with J.S. Bach and Heinrich Schütz.
http://www.bach-cantatas.com/Lib/Handel.htm
Praised be the (Lutheran) Lord!
Isn't that a strange thing for Bach to say if, in fact, he and Handel were always the same person ?
But, whether the Lutheran church commemorates these or other men is of course an irrelevance. What is true will transcend them. That is what gives them their value.
Orchestral Suite No. 1 (Overture)
Arranged for Accordians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4_Nd...eature=related
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Originally Posted by yanni
Common sense would find the inverse choice of labels as better fitting:
"Of irrelevance" what Bach's "sources" claim he said on Handel (or anything/anybody else for that matter) and "strange" the Lutheran church's choice to commemorate Handel/Bach on the same day!
My compliments for your performance, Robert!
On October 26th of each year the same Lutheran church commemorates the lives and careers of no less than three hymn writers - Philip Nicolai (1556-1608), Johann Heermann (1585-1647) and Paul Gerhardt (1607-1676).
Yanni has thus 'proved' (as only Yanni can !) these three hymn writers were the same man also. Someone should tell the Lutheran Church about this discovery.
'And then, with the most amazing interweaving of parts, this music began' (Contemporary Report - Leipzig).
JS Bach
Orchestral Suite No. 1 (Overture)
Arranged for Piano Accordians etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4_Nd...eature=related
:crash:
As any reader may see, evidence leading to the conclusion Bach and Handel were the same person has been presented long before this last post, Robert, which (last post) mainly serves to highlight your worthy talents in the world's oldest art. Bravo!
Otherwise:
Bach's alleged quote (on Handel being ' the only person I would wish to see before I die, and the only person I would wish to be, were I not Bach') is one out of many indications of the overall control Bach's "sources" excercised during the critical times and suffering their conspiracies caused, allowing for their excessive confidence and ironic humor, joking even with their own family secret.
'When the saints go marching in': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLjbMBpGDA
So the following three hymn writers, commemorated each October 26th by the Lutheran church, are NOT the same man ?
Philip Nicolai (1556-1608),
Johann Heermann (1585-1647)
Paul Gerhardt (1607-1676).
And what makes you think commemoration of composers J.S. Bach, G.F. Handel and Heinrich Schutz each 28th July by the same Lutheran church are proof/evidence of THEM being the same man ?
- Radio Silence -
Johann Friedrich Fasch (1688-1758)
Concerto in D Minor
Second and Third Movements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOG1R...eature=related
I hope you only lost your glasses, if not: Speedy recovery!
I was not born with glasses. And, I'm happy to say, there came a time when my sight was better and when I took them off to see things more clearly.
Regards
Robert
Johann Friedrich Fasch (1688-1758)
Concerto in D Minor
Second and Third Movements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOG1R...eature=related
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Originally Posted by yanni
I am glad your eyesight improved.
Try http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/germ...u17861807.html , if you can, to refresh your view on events during 1786-1807 leading to Bach's resurrection on Handel's expense:
Cultural History . J.C. Wöllner, appointed minister of culture and justice, attempted to combat enlightenment (Edict on Religion 1788; a restrictive Edict on Censorship 1789). Magazines regarded as promoters of the enlightenment, such as Nicolai's Allgemeine Deutsche Bibliothek were ordered to cease publication (1794). Even Immanuel Kant was obliged no longer to speak or write on religion (1794). Wöllner was dismissed by King Friedrich Wilhelm III. upon ascending to the throne (1797).
In 1789, Mozart visited Berlin, but rejected an offer to become royal court composer.
Under Friedrich Wilhelm II., Carl Gotthard Langhans constructed the Brandenburg Gate (1788-1791). Johann Gottfried Schadow sculptured the Quadriga, placed on top of the Brandenburg Gate.
Kant published Kritik der Urteilskraft (1790); Wilhelm von Humboldt wrote Versuch, die Wirksamkeit des Staates zu bestimmen, in which he suggested the State to reduce her activities to a minimum (1792); the manuscript was published only in 1851. In 1795 Kant published Zum ewigen Frieden (On Eternal Peace), criticizing the Treaty of Basel.
With Friedrich Wilhelm III., the anti-enlightenment policy introduced by his predecessor was terminated. With Friedrich Wilhelm III. living a bourgeois lifestyle and the court becoming less extravagant, the salon of Rahel Levin Varnhagen became the center of cultural life in Berlin. Henriette Herz hosted another famous salon. In 1803, Ernst Moritz Arndt published Versuch einer Geschichte der Leibeigenschaft in Pommern und Rügen (Attempt to a history of Servitude in Pomerania and Rügen), an attempt to kindle a discussion of the question of the serfs.
Ta-ta!
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Originally Posted by Musicology
Nonsense !
GF Handel was buried in Westminster Abbey alongside kings and queens. Festivals of his music were main features of musical life in Germany and England for many decades. The late 18th and 19th century is full of Handel Festivals. Including major and early ones in London. The Halifax Choral Society is one of the oldest choral societies in the world (founded in 1817) and it was one of dozens of the kind founded on performing works attributed to Handel. Who enjoyed a reputation that was already immense before the revival of Bach's music.
Tell us when the first Vienna public concert of works entirely by JS Bach was given ?
a) 1720 ?
b) 1820 ?
c) 1920 ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjRs8WvFc88
The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions.Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.
We must never justify, blame or deny anything. We must, in short, learn to assert nothing other than sheer nonsense. We must all become compliant consumers of the corporate myth. So that the 'theory of cognitive dissonance' can continue to confuse and educate the entire world and is enforced upon all of us. With us none the wiser. Right ?
As for psychology it was never a science in the first place. So much for its 'theories'. (I think the word is 'hogwash').
Josef Haydn (attributed to)
Minuet and Finale
Symphony No. 104
'London'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOqbN4XwmlM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVqsq...eature=related
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Originally Posted by yanni
So you don't like grapes, huh?
....the premise of the fox that covets inaccessible grapes is taken to stand for a person who attempts to hold incompatible ideas simultaneously. In that case, the disdain the fox expresses for the grapes at the conclusion to the fable serves at least to diminish the dissonance even if the behaviour in fact remains irrational.
Would you care to explain that in plain English ?
In the meantime -
Josef Haydn (attr).
Symphony No. 92
1st Movement
'Oxford'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBBW7...eature=related
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Originally Posted by yanni
'The secret of being tiresome is to tell everything'-Voltaire!
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Originally Posted by Musicology
With respect to Monsieur Voltaire, the secret of being tiresome is to tell everything and say nothing.
Claude Debussy
Tarentelle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXpfU...eature=related
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Originally Posted by yanni
I don't know about you but Aesop and Voltaire both are still widely read and appreciated as authors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musicology
An author of train timetables is appreciated and widely read also.
Claude Debussy
Arabesque 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28Qi4jLtigc
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Originally Posted by yanni
Yes, that's another road to success, certainly, but finish your "Mozart" first!
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Originally Posted by Musicology
Thank you Yanni
Maurice Ravel
Le Tombeau de Couperin
Minuet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9qxy...eature=related
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Originally Posted by yanni
Don't even mention it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKlHABc8HTE
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Originally Posted by Musicology
Sorry to intrude in on this particular topic in such an abrupt manner, but do either of you gentlemen have a view on such mundane matters as the FIFA Stitch Up, or Russian Honey Traps for errant British MP's?
Hi Manichaean,
I figure it must have something to do with the fact the word 'govern' means, 'to rule over', and the word 'ment' means 'mind' - so I can only assume FIFA and British MP's are two examples of what controls our minds - if we allow them.
'GOVERN MENT' loves us ! Of this we may be sure. They would never lie to us. But why must I seek a painless divorce ?? And find one - though on another planet ? :biggrin5:
And here, of sound mind - reminding me of a time when I heard them, in London.
BWV 1065/1
English Concert
Trevor Pinnock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA1L0...eature=related
And -
BWV 1063/3
English Concert
Trevor Pinnock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WrKy...eature=related
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Originally Posted by MANICHAEAN
Dear Musicology
My plodding steps are somewhat at variance with your free wheeling, mountain goat leaps of imagery. Do you come from Irish stock?
Your response seemed to start off slowly enough with a word structure analysis that was much appreciated. But then, something seemed to kick in as you progressed with remorseless acceleration into dealing with divorce and outer space!
The finale of Bach was divine.
Thank you so much.
M.
Scottish Widows has been helping people prepare for the future since 1815.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaJg2...eature=related
17th Century English Hymn
John Bunyan (1622-1688)
'Who would true valour see' ?
:nod:
Who would true Valour see
Let him come hither;
One here will Constant be,
Come Wind, come Weather.
There's no Discouragement,
Shall make him once Relent,
His first avow'd Intent,
To be a Pilgrim.
Who so beset him round,
With dismal Storys,
Do but themselves Confound;
His Strength the more is.
No Lyon can him fright,
He'l with a Gyant Fight,
But he will have a right,
To be a Pilgrim.
Hobgoblin, nor foul Fiend,
Can daunt his Spirit:
He knows, he at the end,
Shall Life Inherit.
Then Fancies fly away,
He'l fear not what men say,
He'l labour Night and Day,
To be a Pilgrim.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOPW-9mSw8Y
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Originally Posted by yanni
Michael Praetorius (1571-1621)
Terpsichore (1612)
(Spagnoletta, Bourree)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eicxE...eature=related
Yanni, I was only half joking regarding my DNA reference. Seriously, is it possible to take samples of DNA from what we presume to be Bach's remains and Handel's remains to have them analyzed? This may prove whether or not, they are one in the same person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilliatt Gurgle
Gentlemen, I like the new approach to this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musicology
remember this one?
The shaman wore a necromancer’s cloak
Mambrinos helmet placed on his head.
He began to pour the ashes out
The minstrel hermit lay down and read….
(end Gilliatt)
(Begin Scott):
“Not that, in sooth, o’er mortal urn
Those things inanimate can mourn,
But that the stream, the wood, the gale,
Is vocal with the plaintive wail
Of those who, else forgotten long,
Lived in the poet’s faithful song,
And, with the poets parting breath,
Whose memory feels a second death.
The maid’s pale shade, who wails her lot,
That love, true love should be forgot,
From rose and hawthorn shakes the tear
Upon the minstrel’s bier:
The phantom knight, his glory fled,
Mourns o’er the field he heaped with dead,
Mounts the wild blast that sweeps amain
And shrieks along the battle plain;
The chief whose antique crownlet long
Still sparkled in the feudal song,
Now, from the mountains misty throne,
Sees, in the thanedom once his own,
His ashes undistinguished lie,
His place, his power, his memory die;
His groans the lonely caverns fill,
His tears of rage impel the rill;
All mourn the minstrel’s harp unstrung,
Their name unknown, their praise unsung.”
(Sir Walter Scott – “Lay of the Last Minstrel”; Canto V, Part II)
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Was Sir Walter Scott a partner in Scottish Widows?
Sir Walter Scott's Highland Widow: The Tragedy of the Highlands http://www.suite101.com/content/over...#ixzz17bAfUWuE
'To all, to each, a fair good-night, and pleasing dreams, and slumbers light.'
MORE MOZART MYTHOLOGY
19th Century Librarian Letter
Civic Library
Bologna
Italy
Internal document by 19th century Librarian of the music Academy of Bologna, Italy. Recording that, contrary to myth, W.A. Mozart, during a musical examination taken in Bologna as a 14 year old boy during his visit to there of 12th October 1770 (when he wished to become a musical member of the Academy of Bologna), did NOT complete the required musical examination successfully. Also recording that the results were a musical failure for Mozart. And even describing what happened next. Padre Martini (a friend of the Mozart family there in Italy and essential for the growing reputation of the 'genius') re-wrote the exam paper FOR Mozart minutes afterwards (which Mozart then faithfully copied and submitted as his own entry for membership). This done as an act of friendship by Padre Martini so that Mozart could become a member. With only Mozart, his father and Padre Martini knowing this fact.
By 1846 (after a ton of other publications) this sequence of stage managed events had been forgotten by Mozart biographers and Mozart was routinely being credited with having passed the Bologna exam successfully on his own ! In fact both versions of what he wrote at Bologna still exist today showing the actual attempt by Mozart was filled with basic musical mistakes. These corrected by Martini before Mozart submitted the second (now corrected version) we know today. This is damning evidence (supported by other kinds) that during the early 1770’s W.A. Mozart as a teenager had still learned almost nothing of counterpoint and composition. A fact confirmed by other documentary evidence. The idea that he, within two years, is said to have written over 150 works in all forms (including serenades, sonatas, concertos, operas, etc) is patently absurd. At no point in his life did Mozart study music theory or composition in any detail.
First publication on the internet of an image of this letter. (Courtesy L. Bianchini, A. Taboga and staff of Civic Library of Bologna, Italy).
Padre Martini !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Musicology
Now there's a blast from the past!
I remember him from the Sonata days back in Dumas...
“…The town Priest and teacher, Padre Martini remained seated at the table where he and the Terrier had been discussing the ominous events over the past few weeks. There was a strong bond between Jack Russell and the Padre. Padre Martini looked quite shaken but not stirred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUUq5mRCimo
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:) Don't you mean the Jack Daniels Terrier? Though I'd imagine a lifetime of emnity between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilliatt Gurgle
Mozart was an inside job !
:santasmil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6koeS6wQHaA&feature=fvw
Translation of above text - from Italian
'' (here) In Folio 2 and 3 are Antiphons written in autograph by Mozart himself who was a youngster and also a Knight who wanted to be a member of the Order of Philarmonica in Bologna. There is also a document written by Padre Martini of the 12th October of 1770 which show that, because that Antiphon was in four parts on a Cantus Firmus it did not obtain a great effect because it was made contrary to the rule of that style, so Padre Martini considered this examination produced by the hand of Mozart would not be accepted by those strict academics. Considering there would be many difficulties to admit Mozart, Padre Martini rewrote from the beginning to the end himself this same Antiphon proclaiming that it was actually produced by Mozart. So without problem Mozart was honoured with the diploma of Master composer and became a member of the Philarmonic Academic, despite the fact that he also not reached the age required by the rules of this Academy.
The version of the Antiphon published in the book of Peter Lichtenthal entitled ’Mozart and His Works’ (Milan, Ricordi - 1842, in 8, p. 14 and 15) is in fact the same as made by Padre Martini - it is not the original music written by Mozart in the rooms of the Academy. And also the diploma written by Padre Martini that was reproduced there is different in some parts to the original written by Padre Martini''
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From Prelude and Fugue
BWV 998
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQmB...eature=related
The composer Dittersdorf(!)-http://www.hoasm.org/XIIC/Dittersdorf.html-noted in his biography* that Joseph II compared Mozart’s compositions to that of a gold snuffbox crafted in Paris(!!), while Joseph Haydn’s were those of a snuffbox finished off in London(!!!).
*His memoirs, Lebenbeschreibung, were published in Leipzig in 1801: http://www.zeno.org/Musik/M/Ditters+...nsbeschreibung