I just had veal parmesan for dinner. ;) Boy was that good. Mmm, mmm. :D
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I just had veal parmesan for dinner. ;) Boy was that good. Mmm, mmm. :D
Got any leftovers you might share?
I have an honest question that's been bugging me for a while. It might have been adressed by this thread or one of the other threads about vegetarianism before, but I don't feel like scrolling through all that text.
It's just that, we're living things. As such we have to eat other living things in order to absorb their energy and continue living, therefor our life depends on us killing something else that was once alive (blah blah blah, obviously, but bear with me here, I have a point). Animals are living things. Plants are living things, too. Why, then, is killing an animal a crime, but killing a plant isn't? I don't see why eating something that was once alive but was in plant form is any better or somehow more moral then eating something that was once an animal. What's the difference? Plants move like animals, I've seen that myself. They move slowly, but they do move. They respond to touch. I have a lot of examples (eg. they strain for sunlight). Who are we to say that they don't have feeling and emotions, like animals? If they do have emotions and the desire to survive, isn't it "wrong" to kill them for food? And if it's immoral to eat plants, and it's immoral to eat animals, then what the heck CAN we eat without the constant guilt trip?
One part is the capability argument, we have the capability not to eat animals. The second part is that we can be absolutely sure because of neurological similarity that animals feel pain. If it is wrong to cause deliberate pain in humans, then it must be wrong to cause deliberate pain to animals. Given that we can't show that plants feel pain, and we aren't capable of living without them. It seems that the favored option is to not eat animals. I'm not a vegetarian though, that's just the argument usually made for it.
There are other opinions though, like people who think animals have a right to life or not to be exploited. I don't really think those arguments are worth discussing.
It's a question of sentience. Plants don't have nervous systems, though they do react to the environment through hydrostatic pressure etc. (I'm sure some of the science bods on this forum could explain it much better than this). As such they don't feel pain, so they don't suffer. I don't think you're "who are we to say they don't have emotions" doesn't stand up as they lack brains.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
Animals clearly do suffer, and if you're not sure on this point, have a look at a slaughterhouse to see their mental fear, before the real pain starts.
There are other opinions though, like people who think animals have a right to life or not to be exploited. I don't really think those arguments are worth discussing.
Why not Orphanpip? I knew a Nun once who wrote a paper drawing similarities between the oppression of Women and the oppression of animals. It's not so far fetched if you consider how close we are genetically to other mammals. The rights of the voiceless and oppressed and all that.
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My boyfriend is a Hindu. I myself work accordingly to the Hindu Philosophy but do not practice the religion. Let`s go vegetarian. :-)
Srimad Bhagavatam 10.22.35: It is the duty of every living being to perform welfare activities for the benefit of others with his life, wealth, intelligence and words.
I am a pure vegetarian. I don't even have eggs.
Often people asked me, why do you eat plants when you don't eat animals, though they both are living beings.
Now, after reading posts above me, I think I got my answer.
Whatever we eat....lets us plant more trees..avoide using vehicles, plastic...save paper
The Earth needs it!
As far as the eating is concerned....even yoga recommends diet of fresh fruits and veggies ... and I have experienced the difference.....on the other hand .... if evryone eats veg ...we do not have enough food on this earth.... considering the reducing no of farmers and fertile farmlands
Honestly, considering that the physiognomic, or even broader - biological, disparity between humans and animals (particularly mammals) is far less than that between humans and plants, one might be justified in countering such a question by asking why it’s a-ok, morally speaking, to feast on cow meat for gastronomic satisfaction but not that of, say, a fellow human being, who we would have no reason to presume would taste at all inferior. Keep in mind, it’s a question of morals, not pragmatics (morality, imo, should not hang on those choices which happen to be most convenient); obviously society would be in an uproar if some people just up and decided that cannibalism was the way to go. But what if it was done systematically, and to a widely marginalized ethnic/racial group who, from our privileged perspective, doesn’t really have much of a life worth living anyway, and, moreover, fails to contribute much to the global community, like all those starving Africans (who would, of course, be duly fattened up before facing the chopping block)? Why do so very many people turn up their noses in (alleged) disgust at such an idea, but not that of factory farming and its products?Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf
And, by the by, I don’t buy the “it’s natural” argument; if every proponent of said argument was really so in-tune with the whims of nature then I don’t suppose they’d be inclined to view, for example, burping/farting/nose-picking ,etc, in public as flagrant acts of classless crudity and would, it is logical to assume, happily add their own bodily contribution to the campy cacophony themselves.
Just some food for thought, so to speak. ;)
I think you have to argue your points in other terms than the Hindu Texts you are quoting. How can posters understand your position unless they are versed in your beliefs themselves, and is this valid anyway to non-Hindus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Radha Krsna
I have ever thought like that when I was child. But, when I grow up I know that plans can't feel pain because they don't have stimulus receiver like we and animals have...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikhar
In Vedic sastra mentioned:
Tri Premana (three kinds of living skills):
1. Plants have only bayu (tenaga)
2. Animals have only bayu and sabda (power and voice)
3. Humans have bayu, sabda and idep (power, voice and mind)
Because plants do not have voice, they must be can't feel pain...
I'm sorry, this thread originally in Religious Texts so I quote Veda text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulclem
So, if we shoot up the animals we eat with morphine before slaughter, that makes it all better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Radha Krsna
Is consumption of morphine was good for your body?Quote:
Originally Posted by skib
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R.A. Kartini:
“Vegetarian adalah Doa Tanpa Kata ke Hadirat Yang Mahatinggi”
"Aku adalah anak Buddha, dan sebutan itu saja sudah cukup jadi alasan bagiku untuk tidak makan daging.”
@Radha Krshna
Would like to know your opnion on what I already posted earlier:
Whatever we eat....lets us plant more trees..avoide using vehicles, plastic...save paper
The Earth needs it!
As far as the eating is concerned....even yoga recommends diet of fresh fruits and veggies ... and I have experienced the difference.....on the other hand .... if evryone eats veg ...we do not have enough food on this earth.... considering the reducing no of farmers and fertile farmlands