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VSW-Knew only about her relationship with VW. For both writers (and their husbands) it was very anguishing going against the social conventions of England. The bars of the great cats.
Susana Chávez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Ch%C3%A1vez
https://www.englishpen.org/campaigns...ez-castillo-2/
SC: Such a tragic end. "Open to the madness."
C. S. Lewis... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._S._Lewis
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/to-sleep-13/
Interesting life. I saw one film of the Narnia chronicles, but never read anything by him. I liked the poem.
Lewis Carrol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll
https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/jabberwocky
https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/acrostic-0
LC: Cute acrostic poem; I've written a handful myself (they're fun). "Jabberwocky" has been dear to me since I read the short story "Mimsy Were the Borogroves" anciently... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimsy_Were_the_Borogoves which was adapted into the movie "The Last Mimzy"... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Mimzy .
Claudia Emerson... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Emerson
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poe...s/detail/58357
LC-Mimzical developments!
CE-Poem reads almost like poetic prose. But the poem form better masques the content.
Ernesto Cardenal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Cardenal
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/from-zero-hour/
EC: "Political" would be an understatement... and yet a man of faith, though radical. His poem a rambling of corruption devolving occasionally into humorous word transmogrification.
Carl Sandburg... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sandburg
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/fog/ ... (one of my favorite minimalist poems.)
CS-A lot of different jobs. Loved the poem
Sherman Alexie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Alexie
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/how-...ndian-novel-2/
SA: An uncommon voice with a sense of humor, and pathos, about the indigenous American. (lol)... How to create the stereotypical American Indian poem, or movie for that matter.
Anne Killigrew...
https://www.poemhunter.com/best-poem...oul-of-poetry/
AK-Another of those women hidden in the folds of Art History!The Dryden poem on her:https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poe...s/detail/44190
Kálmán Kalocsay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1lm%C3%A1n_Kalocsay
http://poemsintranslation.blogspot.c...man%20Kalocsay
JD: Quite the homage. KK: Esperanto poetry... I remember one semester maybe of exposure to Esperanto in elementary school, and that was that.... I can still count to ten and that is all I remember. Not a warm fuzzy poem; a sign of his milieux.
Karoline von Günderrode... http://www.fembio.org/biographie.php...n-guenderrode/
https://translate.google.com/transla...ml&prev=search
Auf Deutsch:
http://lyrik.antikoerperchen.de/karo...itung,169.html
KvG-Impressed with her passion. She´s from the period I´m writing about, only my authors are male playwrights.The links didn´t work but I found the poem in German and these: lyricstranslate.com/en/karoline-von-günderode-lyrics.html. And the poets family Brentano keeps increasing.
Giuseppe Giusti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Giusti (Italian English?)
https://perpwalk.wordpress.com/2010/...useppe-giusti/
KvG-Impressed with her passion. She´s from the period I´m writing about, only my authors are male playwrights.The links didn´t work but I found the poem in German and these:
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/karoli...de-lyrics.html
Meanwhile the family of poets Brentano keeps increasing.
Giuseppe Giusti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Giusti (Italian English?)
https://perpwalk.wordpress.com/2010/...useppe-giusti/
KvG: Nice selection... "Can love be so unlovely,/So far from me what is mine?/Can lust be so painful,/Unfaithfulness be so heartily?/Oh joy, oh pain!" Sorry my links don't work for you.Quote:
The Kiss in the Dream (1805)
author By Karoline von Günderrode
epoch Photography: Romance
Stanzas : 3, Verses : 14
Verses per verse : 1-4, 2-4, 3-6
Words : 99, sentences : 6
1 01
It has breathed a kiss to my life,
02
Gestillet of my breast deepest languishment,
03
Come, darkness! To leave me comfortably,
04
That fresh bliss sucks my lip.
2 05
In dreams, such a life was dipped,
06
So I live to look at dreams forever,
07
May despise all other pleasures
08
Because only the night so sweet balsam breathes.
3 09
The day is barren with loving delights,
10
It hurts me of his light vain pranks
11
And consume his sun's embers.
12
So let the eye of the earth shine upon you!
13
Enfold yourself in the night, she is styling your desire
14 And heals the pain as Lethes cool flood.
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Der Kuß im Traume - Karoline von Günderrode (Interpretation #169)
Interpretation
Gedicht: Karoline von Günderrode – Der Kuß im Traume
TextEpocheAutor
Der Kuß im Traume (1805)
Autor: Karoline von Günderrode
Epoche: Romantik
Strophen: 3, Verse: 14
Verse pro Strophe: 1-4, 2-4, 3-6
Wörter: 99, Sätze: 6
1 01
Es hat ein Kuß mir Leben eingehaucht,
02
Gestillet meines Busens tiefstes Schmachten,
03
Komm, Dunkelheit! mich traulich zu umnachten,
04
Daß neue Wonne meine Lippe saugt.
2 05
In Träume war solch Leben eingetaucht,
06
Drum leb' ich, ewig Träume zu betrachten,
07
Kann aller andern Freuden Glanz verachten
08
Weil nur die Nacht so süßen Balsam haucht.
3 09
Der Tag ist karg an liebesüßen Wonnen,
10
Es schmerzt mich seines Lichtes eitles Prangen
11
Und mich verzehren seiner Sonne Gluthen.
12
Drum birg dich Aug' dem Glanze irrd'scher Sonnen!
13
Hüll' dich in Nacht, sie stillet dein Verlangen
14 Und heilt den Schmerz, wie Lethes kühle Fluthen.
GG: "Abstemious" threw me, I don't think I've run across the word before. Comparing others to the snail to their detriment is amusing; his wit and satire his lance against windmills apparently effective.
George Gascoigne... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gascoigne
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poe...s/detail/44280
KvG´-Tks for pasting the poems.
Some improvements on the meanings of the Google translation:
02-Gestillet= calmed or calming;
03-Come darkness surround me with nightly sweetness;
04-That my lips may suck fresh bliss/delight;
10-The day is barren of loving delights;
11-I´m hurt by it´s vain display of light;
12-And consumed by the glowing sun;
13-Therefore, my eyes. shun the splendor of earthly suns;
14-...she assuages your desire
GG-Quite an adventurous figure.
Gwendolyn MacEwen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwendolyn_MacEwen
http://canpoetry.library.utoronto.ca/macewen/poem3.htm
KvG: So now we have:GM: Quite accomplished... Beautiful park... Delightful poemQuote:
1
01 It has breathed a kiss to my life,
02 calming of my breast deepest languishment,
03 Come darkness surround me with nightly sweetness
04 That my lips may suck fresh bliss
2
05 In dreams, such a life was dipped,
06 So I live to look at dreams forever,
07 May despise all other pleasures
08 Because only the night so sweet balsam breathes.
3
09 The day is barren with loving delights,
10 It hurts me of his light vain pranks
11 I´m hurt by it´s vain display of light
12 And consumed by the glowing sun;
13 Therefore, my eyes. shun the splendor of earthly suns
14 she assuages your desire
Thanks ! A tweak or two might help with the translation further, but I see the improvement.
May Sinclair... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Sinclair
https://allpoetry.com/May-Sinclair
KvG: Let´s see what can be done:
The Kiss in the Dream (1805)
1
01 A kiss breathed life into me,
02 Calming my breast´s deepest yearning,
03 Come darkness! surround me with nightly intimacy,
04 That my lips may suck fresh bliss.
2
05 Immersed in dreams was this life,
06 So I live to contemplate dreams forever,
07 Despising the allure of all other pleasures
08 Because only the night breathes such sweet balsam.
3
09 The day is barren of loving delights,
10 I´m hurt by it´s vain display of light
11 And consumed by the glowing sun.
12 Therefore, my eyes, shun the splendor of earthly suns!
13 Wrap yourself in night, she assuages your desire,
14 And heals the pain, as Lethes cool flood.
MS-I liked her descriptive war poem
Sara Teasdale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Teasdale
Marianna Alcoforando
(The Portuguese Nun—1640-1723)
The sparrows wake beneath the convent eaves;
I think I have not slept the whole night through.
But I am old; the aged scarcely know
The times they wake and sleep, for life burns down;
They breathe the calm of death before they die.
The long night ends, the day comes creeping in,
Showing the sorrows that the darkness hid,
The bended head of Christ, the blood, the thorns,
The wall's gray stains of damp, the pallet bed
Where little Sister Marta dreams of saints,
Waking with arms outstretched imploringly
That seek to stay a vision's vanishing.
I never had a vision, yet for me
Our Lady smiled while all the convent slept
One winter midnight hushed around with snow—
I thought she might be kinder than the rest,
And so I came to kneel before her feet,
Sick with love's sorrow and love's bitterness.
But when I would have made the blessed sign,
I found the water frozen in the font,
And touched but ice within the carved stone.
The saints had hid themselves away from me,
Leaving the windows black against the night;
And when I sank upon the altar steps,
Before the Virgin Mother and her Child,
The last, pale, low-burnt taper flickered out,
But in the darkness, smooth and fathomless,
Still twinkled like a star the holy lamp
That cast a dusky glow upon her face.
Then through the numbing cold peace fell on me,
Submission and the gracious gift of tears,
For when I looked, Oh! blessed miracle,
Her lips had parted and Our Lady smiled!
And then I knew that Love is worth its pain
And that my heart was richer for his sake,
Since lack of love is bitterest of all.
The day is broad awake—the first long beam
Of level sun finds Sister Marta's face,
And trembling there it lights a timid smile
Upon the lips that say so many prayers,
And have no words for hate and none for love.
But when she passes where her prayers have gone,
Will God not smile a little sadly then,
And send her back with gentle words to earth
That she may hold a child against her breast
And feel its little hands upon her hair?
We weep before the Blessed Mother's shrine,
To think upon her sorrows, but her joys
What nun could ever know a tithing of?
The precious hours she watched above His sleep
Were worth the fearful anguish of the end.
Yea, lack of love is bitterest of all;
Yet I have felt what thing it is to know
One thought forever, sleeping or awake;
To say one name whose sweetness grows so strange
That it might work a spell on those who weep;
To feel the weight of love upon my heart
So heavy that the blood can scarcely flow.
Love comes to some unlooked-for, quietly,
As when at twilight, with a soft surprise,
We see the new-born crescent in the blue;
And unto others love is planet-like,
A cold and placid gleam that wavers not,
And there are those who wait the call of love
Expectant of his coming, as we watch
To see the east grow pallid ere the moon
Lifts up her flower-like head against the night.
Love came to me as comes a cruel sun,
That on some rain-drenched morning, when the leaves
Are bowed beneath their clinging weight of drops,
Tears through the mist, and burns with fervent heat
The tender grasses and the meadow flowers;
Then suddenly the heavy clouds close in
And through the dark the thunder's muttering
Is drowned amid the dashing of the rain.
But I have seen my day grow calm again.
The sun sets slowly on a peaceful world,
And sheds a quiet light across the fields.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/400
KvG: I Like what you have done with her poem. My further interpretation:
The Kiss in the Dream (1805)/Interpretation
1
01 A kiss breathed life into me,
02 Calming my breast's deepest yearning,
03 Come darkness! enfold me with your nightly embrace,
04 That my lips may inhale fresh bliss.
2
05 Obsession with dreams was my life,
06 So I lived to contemplate dreams forever,
07 Despising the allure of all other pleasures
08 Because only night breathes such sweet balsam.
3
09 The day is barren of loving delights,
10 I´m hurt by it´s bright vain display
11 And consumed by the fiery sun.
12 Therefore, my eyes, shun the splendor of earthly flame !
13 Envelope yourself in the night, she assuages your desire,
14 And heals the pain, as Lethe's cool waters.
ST: (revisited)I enjoyed these verses:Mariana Alcoforado must be the poem's namesake (last name slightly different)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_AlcoforadoQuote:
And when I sank upon the altar steps,
Before the Virgin Mother and her Child,
The last, pale, low-burnt taper flickered out,
But in the darkness, smooth and fathomless,
Still twinkled like a star the holy lamp
That cast a dusky glow upon her face.
Then through the numbing cold peace fell on me,
Submission and the gracious gift of tears,
For when I looked, Oh! blessed miracle,
Her lips had parted and Our Lady smiled!
And then I knew that Love is worth its pain
And that my heart was richer for his sake,
Since lack of love is bitterest of all.
Thomas Lodge... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lodge
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-...-with-showers/
KvG: I liked all your improvements, the poem at last "sounds" natural in English. I am only in doubt about the word "Obsession"(line 5). I haven´t the feeling that for her being immersed in dreams was perceived as an obsession. And it is a word of later times.
TL-Why he came to Brazil probably to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhabela
Inspired Shakespeare, poem somewhat sad though
Laura Cardoso
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Cardoso
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=l...HBrLmiquchXPM:
KvG: re: obsession - will give it further thought. TL in Brasil, looting ? or enjoying the view ? LC: One of your favorite soap stars ?
Charles Keating... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating_(actor) I used to watch the soaps with my wife once in a while when there was a 24/7 Soap Opera channel that she liked.
ST-You are right,tS,the name is "Marianna Alcoforado" I don´t know who made the mistake. Fictional or not, The Portuguese Letters are considered a literary work.
TL in Brazil possibly loothing and fighting.
LC-Played also in films and the theater.Was very ill recently, but then she finished the soapy with her 89 years.
CK-!he Royal Shakespeare Company says all
Keanna Reeves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanna_Reeves
KR: Keanu Reeves derivation/clever.
Ruben Gonzaga... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gNICWKE5Ho
I'm not sure, but I think this is like "The Hunger Games".
Here in Brazil it is very silly. But yes they have to eliminate each other to get the prize money.
Greta Garbo (born on the same day as I)
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Garbo
GG: Wonderfully complex. Noticed the pt. and en. versions of wikipedia are a bit different in content. You're lucky, I share my birthday with Mickey Mouse... Yours is also a day before my daughter's birthday.
George O'Brien... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_O%27Brien_(actor)
GG:Lol! Do you read Portuguese, now? But you are right, they are quite different. I think it depends who writes them, wikipedia is a curious territory. Some of these versions are just translations of an original in other languages.
Anyway sharing a birthday with Mickey seems to be more fun than with GG.
G 0'Brian-Interesting career. Must have seen him in one of these old films
Brigitte Bardot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Bardot
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Bardot
(No, no Portuguese language ability... page translations help a little, though in my attempt for BB "his" and "her" are annoyingly interchanged in another pt. page, and the other slip ups that translation usually brings.) BB: A tour de force that I hadn't fully realized before: actress/singer/writer/activist. Strong ties to Brazil as well.
Barbra Streisand... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbra_Streisand
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8...or-Design.html
It´s because in Pt. it´s the same pronoum.The context must be very clear or you get confused even in Portuguese.
BS-I used to like her films. But it seems she turned into a Madam now.But still something of a girl that won in the lotery
Sidney Poitier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Poitier
(the Portuguese version is a stump)
SP: The last movie I saw him in was "The Jackal" many years ago. Very durable actor and quite accomplished.
Peter Ustinov... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ustinov
PU-I knew he was a writer only
Uma Thurman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uma_Thurman
UT: I've seen a few of her films.
Toni Morrison... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Morrison
https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliapugach...Wj6#.ndkzn3mw4
TM: Interesting writer. I want to read at least "A pair of blue eyes"
Machado de Assis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machado_de_Assis
http://www.antoniomiranda.com.br/poe..._de_assis.html
MdA: "He avoided discussing politics." - a rarity. High praise from his patrons. I loved "Vicious Circle" an Italian sonnet (abba abba cdc cdc); the other sonnet form has an interesting sestet (ccc ccc)
Anne Lynch Botta... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Lynch_Botta
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/a-th...the-sea-shore/
MdA-More considered for his prose than his poetry. Maybe the most political Brazilian author, but not in an obvious way. Didn´t like the translations of the poems so well.
ALB-Beatiful poem. Life reminds me a bit of the Brazilian Júlia Lopes de Almeida at the turn of the 19-20C.
Benjamin Zephaniah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Zephaniah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwz4K_qxNz8
http://benjaminzephaniah.com/
BZ: Enjoyed his interesting performance poem; a strong Jamaican voice. His views on drugs are intriguing.
Zeb-un-Nisa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeb-un-Nisa
https://archive.org/stream/diwanofze...uuoft_djvu.txt
Zeb-un-Nisa-A sad end of life as so many of these woman poets.Interesting verses. I wonder if they helped to inspire Goethe´s ''The West-Eastern Divan"
http://www.archive.org/stream/westea...tuoft_djvu.txt
Nikos Kavvadias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikos_Kavvadias
http://chain.eu/?m3=27253
Goethe: Nizami... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizami_Ganjavi ?...NK: I liked "Mal Du Depart". Would that I could have been to sea.Quote:
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe writes:
A gentle, highly gifted spirit, who, when Ferdowsi had completed the collected heroic traditions, chose for the material of his poems the sweetest encounters of the deepest love. Majnun and Layli, Khosrow and Shirin, lovers he presented; meant for one another by premonition, destiny, nature, habit, inclination, passion staunchly devoted to each other; but divided by mad ideas, stubbornness, chance, necessity, and force, then miraculously reunited, yet in the end again in one way or another torn apart and separated from each other.
Kathleen Raine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Raine
https://f0rsythia.wordpress.com/2015...athleen-raine/
Nizami and Goethe interesting find. Also of interest:"Nezami's story of Layla and Majnun also provided the namesake for a hit single by Eric Clapton, also called 'Layla'."
KR-Unquiet life, Beautiful poem; The restless feeling of love changing into a epiphany of belonging to the whole universe.
Ruth Padel
http://www.ruthpadel.com/
RP: "when everything hidden
comes alive... the mice you weren’t aware of in the wall,
and your own unspoken longing to be given
something more by life."
Philip O' Connor... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_O%27Connor
Quote:
POEM
The clock ticks on ; the wild-fingered hand
of a dark wet evening strokes the face
and combs the hair out-of-doors,
and traffic and expressions are woof and warp
of a cruelly-clear understanding. The people drag a train of
ancient monsters,
cumbrous shadows with banners
of factory hours and weekly wage. Sirens of contempt
whistle in the incidental phrase
and the metre of a force prepared to impel a change
gives words the white outline of chairs seen in fainting,
here we have a room of drastic furniture waiting the remover's
approach
(and he comes solemn as two girders
in a bridge, intent as the dead timber floating under it.)
No foaming running cloud of the night
can disengage hysteria locked in the pounding heart
slowly rejoining the serene wide-open eye.
p. O'CONNOR... from pg 5 of 24 http://www.modernistmagazines.com/media/pdf/276.pdf
Philip O' Connor- A surrealistic life! I liked the poem. Must have been difficult to find. I searched for more.
Oliverio Girondo
http://pippoetry.blogspot.com.br/200...o-girondo.html
OG: I see flashes of JB in some of his poems.
George Eliot... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Eliot
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/roses/
thank a lot :D :D