The Earth is FIXED in Space

No one has entertained my question as to whether our solar system is in its own orbit...which could very well explain why some constellations seem to be orbiting in a certain path...

Ehhhh, this is what happens when people think that because they know what words like "science", "earth" and "rotation" means that they believe they are experts. To the OP, go read some Copernicus ;)

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Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

Ehhhh, this is what happens when people think that because they know what words like "science", "earth" and "rotation" means that they believe they are experts. To the OP, go read some Copernicus ;)

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I'm not disagreeing with you, but you are awfully young yourself to act like you know what an expert might know...

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

I'm not disagreeing with you, but you are awfully young yourself to act like you know what an expert might know...

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What does being young have to do with it? I'm no expert in any field of science. But it don't take no expert to understand some of the most elementary facts of science. I in fact think it takes an expert to go against the established facts presented by experts.

Everything in the universe is in motion Bien, our solar system moves within the galaxy and the galaxy as a whole is moving as well. My understanding is that we're somewhere on the periphery of our galaxy. I'm a biologist not an astronomer though, so this is beyond my scope.

I think the path the solar system takes through the galaxy is so long though that we can't really observe any change in our lifetimes.

Has anyone mentioned that the stars orbiting the earth means that even a close[ish] star like Sirius must be moving at around 50 time the speed of light to complete a circuit in 24 hours?

The OP is right about one thing - Einstein sucked; so much for the speed of light being absolute, even stars are faster than light!

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

Everything in the universe is in motion Bien, our solar system moves within the galaxy and the galaxy as a whole is moving as well. My understanding is that we're somewhere on the periphery of our galaxy. I'm a biologist not an astronomer though, so this is beyond my scope.

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I just learned a couple of days ago that the other galaxies are all moving away from this one. I used to think that they were in some kind of rotation pattern around something in the center of the universe, because that would fit with the pattern of most things (atoms, planetary rotation, the galaxies themselves, etc). I thought that was pretty cool. I'm a bio student too, physics and astronomy for me have basically been background noise while I doodle on my notebooks up until now; I never really knew how we came to the realization that the universe is "expanding."

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Originally Posted by The Atheist

Has anyone mentioned that the stars orbiting the earth means that even a close[ish] star like Sirius must be moving at around 50 time the speed of light to complete a circuit in 24 hours?

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Haha, well that's a really simple yet effective point.

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Kiki,

Let me ask more or less the same question.

If the Earth is really rotating at approximately 1,000 mph do the clouds above the Earth also rotate at the same speed ? With the Earth ?

If so, what happens if a 1,000 mile long cloud is entered by a plane travelling in the direct opposite direction to that rotation of the Earth ? How long would it take such a plane to get out of that cloud if it, the plane, is only travelling at 500 mph ?

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Oh, my God he is serious :yikes:

The question is irrelevant to the rotation of te earth as the same question would be about the speed of a plane if a person inside it was going at a speed of 5 miles/h and the plane flying at 200 miles/h.

The person would get out of it if he was allowed to just at the time it would take him to walk from the side to the other.

So the plane would exactly take 2 hours to do your thing.

No phases. Not yet? :hand:

Kiki 1982 has proved that the world is going mad.

She tells us a plane flying at 500 mph which entered a 1,000 mile long cloud would take 2 hours to fly through it, even if that cloud is moving in the completely opposite direction of that plane at approximately 1,000 mph. !!! I think Kiki should be recruited as the next Chancellor of the Exchequer for England or, at least, as the next Nobel Prize Winner for Physics.

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Originally Posted by kiki1982

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Oh, my God he is serious :yikes:

The question is irrelevant to the rotation of te earth as the same question would be about the speed of a plane if a person inside it was going at a speed of 5 miles/h and the plane flying at 200 miles/h.

The person would get out of it if he was allowed to just at the time it would take him to walk from the side to the other.

So the plane would exactly take 2 hours to do your thing.

No phases. Not yet? :hand:

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Originally Posted by Musicology

Kiki has proved that the world is going mad.

She tells us a plane flying at 500 mph which entered a 1,000 mile long cloud would take 2 hours to fly through it, even if that cloud is moving in the completely opposite direction of that plane at approximately 1,000 mph. !!! I think Kiki should be recruited as the next Chancellor of the Exchequer for England.

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Imagine a train carriage one mile long, travelling north at a hundred miles and hour.

At the back end - the southern end - is a bee, dragging a banner half a mile long. It starts to fly towards the front end of the carriage at one mile an hour. So it is travelling, actually, at one hundred and one miles an hour.

At the front end there's another bee, which starts to fly towards the back end of the train at one mile an hour.

When the bees meet, how long will it take the second bee, travelling at one mile an hour, to pass the banner?

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

Haha, well that's a really simple yet effective point.

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I've also realised that I've under-estimated the speed by an order of magnitude.

For galaxies over 1,000,000 light years away, they would be travelling at over the speed of light squared, which no doubt proves they don't exist!

Gosh, this stuff is easy when you get started!

The answer is simple. It will take 4 rotations of the Earth around the Sun, and 400 years of textbooks.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Imagine a train carriage one mile long, travelling north at a hundred miles and hour.

At the back end - the southern end - is a bee, dragging a banner half a mile long. It starts to fly towards the front end of the carriage at one mile an hour. So it is travelling, actually, at one hundred and one miles an hour.

At the front end there's another bee, which starts to fly towards the back end of the train at one mile an hour.

When the bees meet, how long will it take the second bee, travelling at one mile an hour, to pass the banner?

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And shall we ever know whether the clouds above our heads are travelling at around 1,000 mph in following the allegedly rotating Earth below them ? Answers on a postcard to -

Spin Department
Popular Mechanics

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Originally Posted by Musicology

The answer is simple. It will take 4 rotations of the Earth around the Sun, and 400 years of textbooks.

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Seriously, this will inform the question about the cloud. Other people have given what they believe to be the answer to that problem by applying their understanding of how the universe works. So - please apply yours to this problem, and perhaps we can move the discussion along.

Imagine a train carriage one mile long, travelling north at a hundred miles and hour.

At the back end - the southern end - is a bee, dragging a banner half a mile long. It starts to fly towards the front end of the carriage at one mile an hour. So it is travelling, actually, at one hundred and one miles an hour.

At the front end there's another bee, which starts to fly towards the back end of the train at one mile an hour.

When the bees meet, how long will it take the second bee, travelling at one mile an hour, to pass the banner?

MarkBastable,

I do not see an answer to my direct question. Can you please tell us whether cloud formations are travelling at approximately the same speed as the allegedly rotating Earth below them - the latter rotating at a speed (so we are told) of approximately 1,000 mph ? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Since one of your supporters has calculated that a plane travelling 500 mph will take 2 hours to fly through a cloud 1,000 miles long, even if that cloud is travelling in the opposite direction at around 1,000 mph !!

And since my question was first and is of direct relevance to the thread, you may agree your answer should be found after you have offered one of your own to this earlier question.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Seriously, this will inform the question about the cloud. Other people have given what they believe to be the answer to that problem by applying their understanding of how the universe works. So - please apply yours to this problem, and perhaps we can move the discussion along.

Imagine a train carriage one mile long, travelling north at a hundred miles and hour.

At the back end - the southern end - is a bee, dragging a banner half a mile long. It starts to fly towards the front end of the carriage at one mile an hour. So it is travelling, actually, at one hundred and one miles an hour.

At the front end there's another bee, which starts to fly towards the back end of the train at one mile an hour.

When the bees meet, how long will it take the second bee, travelling at one mile an hour, to pass the banner?

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Originally Posted by Musicology

MarkBastable,

I do not see an answer to my direct question. Can you please tell us whether cloud formations are travelling at approximately the same speed as the allegedly rotating Earth below them - the latter rotating at a speed (so we are told) of approximately 1,000 mph ? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Since one of your supporters has calculated that a plane travelling 500 mph will take 2 hours to fly through a cloud 1,000 miles long, even if that cloud is travelling in the opposite direction at around 1,000 mph !!

And since my question was first and is of direct relevance to the thread, you may agree your answer should be found after you have offered one of your own to this earlier question.

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I agree with her. That is my answer. And if you ask why that works, then my question will be part of the explanation.

So...

Imagine a train carriage one mile long, travelling north at a hundred miles and hour.

At the back end - the southern end - is a bee, dragging a banner half a mile long. It starts to fly towards the front end of the carriage at one mile an hour. So it is travelling, actually, at one hundred and one miles an hour.

At the front end there's another bee, which starts to fly towards the back end of the train at one mile an hour.

When the bees meet, how long will it take the second bee, travelling at one mile an hour, to pass the banner?