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ask god if he cares
and he will tell you
dare
be the one to wear
the pretitle
the fair
i am the moeur
he says
the everyday
the where
and for every pair
you layer
in meaning
and
in air
you will see me
there
above
beside
aware
in seconds i am near
in minutes i am clear
and in everyday
i am dear
..........
what does that mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
Since we are in spiritual can someone explain this:
Our Father
Our Father,
Who art in heaven,
hallowed be Thy name;
Thy kingdom come;
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
The lines in bold are not clear.
The other question is how shall one pray this if it is continous use of the Third Person?
The next one:
Glory Be
Glory be to the Father,
and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit,
as it was in the beginning,
is now, and ever shall be,
world without end. Amen.
why glory? IS this suggesting there was some kind of war?
I am not sure why beginning and without end?
The pope uses the third person meaning WE all.
The prayer is Peace on earth and glory in the heights. There is no war. Glory for men is considered Evil. He who battles with God's will, inevitably loses.
Our Father=GodQuote:
Originally Posted by cacian
Who art in Heaven=Who is in Heaven
Hallowed by Thy Name=Your name is holy
Thy Kingdom Come=Your heaven, heavenly court, kingdom in heaven will/or is coming
Thy Will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven=How things are in Heaven will come to be the same on Earth.
Give us this day our daily bread=Provide for us humans what we need to be sufficient for the day.
And forgive us of Our tresspasses=forgive us for those things that we've done wrong.
If you were asking for clarity, that's as clear as it goes.
And I'm confused about your question on the "third person"? "Us" and "Our" would be referring to ourselves, which signifies that Jesus meant that his disciples pray this prayer together. If you were alone, you could just as easily say "me" or "my", or stick with the plural if you're trying to save all humanity yourself, lol.
LOL the thing is what if one has not done wrong then what? does he or she still go on saying forgive us our trespasses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaman_Raman
How things are in heaven will come to earth? How is that? because earth is hell at the moment.
Well that's where personal interpretation comes in. I was deciphering what the verse meant, not whether or not I agree with it. However if we are, I think it helps keep the people humble towards others. I mean if we all arrogantly walked around thinking ourselves perfect, we'd never give a dam about what anyone we see lower than us would have to say. Rather than see it as "were all worthless sinners", take it as "nobodies perfect."Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
As for the heaven on earth, I agree with you, earth does seem like hell. I can't begin to give you God's answer on that one.
Yes and I agree but there is still something not quite right about the prayer verse because there is confession and once one has confessed then one has not trespassed.
And so the prayer verse does still make no sense on that 'forgive us our trespasses' bit. There is a bit of a glitch there.
No one is perfect I totally agree but it is not by sitting on our , forgive my french, backside chanting the verse that our daily bread would be buttered and our sins washed out.
As to heaven on earth I could not agree more. One does not begin to describe the meaning of it. ;)
I definitely agree that there's a great deal of confusion and hypocrisy to it. I'm not a Catholic, but I don't understand the reason for weekly confession either, if one is just doing it for lip service. If mistakes are made, solutions should always be found first. You steal someone's iPod, give it back and apologize. Praying for forgiveness should not always be substituted for hurtful conduct towards others. But in the event actions aren't possible, like maybe with murder, then one who holds onto that guilt should consider praying. Because frankly, it's just as much about forgiving yourself as it is getting forgiveness from God.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if someone calls me out on the idea that a simple prayer could give one forgiveness for murder. I meant it more as an extreme example of wrongdoing, so don't ask me if that seems like proper justice. Honestly, justice and forgiveness are two seemingly opposite ideas, so people usually lean one way or the other.
One final note, Cacian. Before Jesus shares this prayer, he explains that one doesn't have to detail and describe his specific actions in prayer, or being wordy, because he claims God already knows all we do. So if we have happened to stumble or do wrong, just say this prayer. It's almost like him saying "shut up, he knows. Just give a formal and sincere apology and move on."
Words,
inconceivable,
undefined
feelings of bliss
receive free,
no charge
just this.
Cry, dammit cry
unlock the strife,
the war inside.
Let it rage,
the fire,
it'll burn out in time.
The smoke clears,
the damage done.
Let debris slip away,
let it go
let it go.
Ground remains
beneath shaky feet
time to rebuild,
prop up
from defeat.